Luis Ortiz vs Independently Ranked Heavies

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Below is the record of Luis Ortiz against top TBRB ranked contenders. I understand this won't be to everyone's taste, so feel free to produce your own ranking analysis. I'd suggest Boxing Monthly or Fight News as a good starting place.

    Luis Ortiz Losses versus Top Ten Ranked Opposition:

    #2 Deontay Wilder KO 10

    Luis Ortiz Wins versus Top Ten Ranked Opposition:

    #8 Bryant Jennings TKO 7

    I understand he's well liked around here so I chose my next words carefully: that is pathetic. He's 1-1 against top ten ranked opposition. What's the incredible drunken fuss about this guy?

    I understand the eye test and all; he looks good to me in a couple of fights. So do a lot of guys. And I accept he's been ducked, that's fair - but Jesus, by everyone? This guy has managed two serious fighters almost three years apart in ten fights. That's as bad as Wilder himself, which is saying something.
     
  2. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    So,

    can you please give me the Top 10 W/L record of

    Dillian Whyte
    Joseph Parker
    Jarrell Miller
    Adam Kownacki
    Dominic Breazeale
    Dereck Chisora

    You might be good in reading stats so maybe you can help me here.

    Thanks.
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I don't think that's a particularly helpful question then.
     
  4. McGrain

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    That's a big ask. I mean it takes a lot of time. It basically calls for a measure against every reasonable opponent against the database. Maybe you could do a couple?

    Thanks.
     
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  5. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    No, i am not interested because i know those guys are looking rarely better in terms of W/L vs Top 10 opponents.

    But my thought was that you would expose yourself with your "1-1 is pathetic" argument.
     
  6. McGrain

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    Here's what this means to me:

    1) Oriz is basically an unknown quantity against top level opposition.

    2) Ortiz is personally unconcerned about the level of opposition he fights

    3) Ortiz may have undergone a serious decline which has gone mostly undetected due to his not having beaten a top ten fighter since 2015.
     
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  7. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    Here's what this means to me:

    1) xxx is basically an unknown quantity against top level opposition.

    2) xxx is personally unconcerned about the level of opposition he fights

    3) xxx may have undergone a serious decline which has gone mostly undetected due to his not having beaten a top ten fighter since xxx.


    Please use and fill with a random Top 10 HW boxer.
     
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  8. McGrain

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    I agree for the most part.

    But here, I disagree.

    A top 4 contender for a given era with 1-1 record versus top ten opposition would be rare. You want to compare Ortiz to the #10 contender, or the #5 contender from this era. OK. But compare him, instead, to #4s from other eras and it's really, really grim - in many instances.

    1-1 is pathetic for an unassailable top ranked contender, which he seems to be.
     
  9. McGrain

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    I can live with this, except for 2) - obviously not.

    Ortiz is indistinguishable from most of the rest of the top ten at heavyweight is one way to read your post, and I think that would be bang on.
     
  10. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    How old are you? We are in the current era. Not in other eras. Live with that.

    Which W/L record vs Top 10 opposition has Povetkin by the way?

    Mhhhhh.

    Yes, as you can see, most of the current Top 10 HWs are not having the best and most impressive record vs Top 10 opposition.

    WOW, a completly new fact. I am hugely surprised. NOT.
     
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  11. McGrain

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    Yeah, this is something you already knew. SO I imagine it would be uninteresting to you. You're posting about it a lot though :lol:
     
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  12. Okin129

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    His resume is pathetic, it's a joke, i don't know how much it really has to do with being avoided but to me he has proven his class by nearly beating Wilder and beating Tony Thompson and Bryant Jennings easily, his counterpunching is extremely dangerous and i can see him beating almost anyone in the heavyweight division,
    i don't think Whyte or Parker are better than him and Povetkin is on the same level.

    Also the only heavyweights with a better resume than 1-1 are Joshua, Wilder and Povetkin.
     
  13. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    Yes. Because your point is useless.

    Ortiz is the legit #3.

    We have two guys at the top, Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua, both holding the titles and both are UNDEFEATED.

    Joshua was only trouble ONCE, vs Wlad where he was knocked down and nearly taken out but Wlad was too shot to take him out.

    Wilder was only troubled ONCE, vs Ortiz where he was completly hammered in the seventh round and nearly taken out but came back strong.

    Considering nobody did better vs Joshua or Wilder Ortiz is LEGIT #3.

    If Povetkin beats AJ or is doing better than Ortiz vs Wilder then he might crack the Top 3.

    I do not care about some **** rankings or records or resumes. I care about PERFORMANCE. About how a fighter is looking in the ****ing ring. How he moves, how he throws, how he is fighting and Ortiz is - if we excluding AJ and Wilder - the MOST DANGEROUS HEAVYWEIGHT out there. Everyone who has 5% knowledge about boxing knows that.

    There are only two or three HWs with a better record vs Top 10 opposition so why picking Ortiz here and making an example? Pathetic.
     
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  14. inner2deepz

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    They doing all they can to discredit Ortiz like he wasn’t ducked like GGG hahaha. Give me a break!!!
    In fact all I remember is Ortiz is gonna shatter that glass jawed fraud Wilder someone pull the thread so we can expose these chumps
     
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  15. Holler

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    Ah it belongs here too feck it!

    Tell me there's an ending please,
    To the endless sucking of Ortiz,
    Or tell me when it's going to end,
    Before it drives me round the bend,

    Don't get me wrong the guy can box,
    Within the ring he's a wily fox,
    That southpaw stance might confuse some,
    So lets agree he is no bum,

    But Boogeyman don't be absurd,
    The daftest thing I've ever heard,
    For as said in countless threads,
    He's not looked great since off the PEDS,

    And though he fights with dedication,
    This dude takes blood pressure medication,
    It's Sulaiman he should be thanking,
    For somehow messing with his ranking,

    So Whyte who tops the WBC list,
    Has had his mando hopes dismissed,
    And told he has to fight a bout,
    With the guy that Wilder just knocked out,

    It's We Be Crooks again it seems,
    That's screwed with Dillian's title dreams,
    And when he tells them 'get to ****'
    He stands accused of being a duck,

    When he's the guy that fights the best,
    Whilst Ortiz beats on all the rest,
    And still you kneel to suck his willy,
    And that's what makes you sound so silly,

    So once again I'm asking please,
    Just stop this sucking of Ortiz,
     
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