Luis Ortiz vs Independently Ranked Heavies

It's 2018 Heavyweight.

They all suck. Truly.

 

Why is Ortiz rated and talked about so much Jeez? He is like 50 and has nothing to show for his career!

Never was a champ and never going to be.

If you want to praise someone, praise Dillian Whyte, late starter, no boxing pedigree or amateur experience of note. Grinded his way to the top with 8 straight wins since his loss to the current 3 belt champ AJ.

He is always written off, and yet he continues to win (sometimes narrowly) but has more to show in 24 fights and 7 odd years than Ortiz.

First man to drop Parker legitimately, and fought the best versions of Chisora, Parker and Anthony Joshua. He seems to get under their skin and they really turn up on fight night.

Plus he beat Parker with a broken left hand and a broken rib, so think about that for a while.

Don't talk to me about Ortiz, and don't talk about different Era's either it's a waste of everyone's time. Stick to the current line up!

 

Everyone who doesn't rate Dillian Whyte in 2018 is either a hater or doesn't have a clue about boxing.
He is one of the guys who REALLY gets better in every fight and he is not even in his prime already, his
punching power is constantly improving and if he gets in better shape he will be a serious threat, as awkward
and sloppy as he is sometimes.

 

I fully agree, I've backed Dillian since day 1 - compared to AJ he has improved the most as they both progressed. Dillian has always had power - his problem is power delivery and efficiency because he lacks proper punch technique. But he has improved a lot now, less slapping punches, more accuracy better control.

He has many great attributes, heart, power, durability, body shots, catch and left hook (his knockout shot), but most of all its his self belief and desire. He takes this sport very seriously, he's not a lazy part timer.

I always knew he would be a world title contender, and with his attitude and mentality that he has displayed since losing to AJ it proves to me and the world that he can be champion.

 

I remember when @GALVATRON and myself said Whyte would beat Parker more than a year ago and we were
ridiculed for it by the majority of the people on this forum...

Most of the people go by how a fighter looks like when judging a fighter which is wrong, i remember Tyson Fury
was laughed at in the beginning of his career and now people seem to grasp his unorthodox style and there are
even some people who claim he is one of the best heavyweights ever, nowadays everyone is a bum first
and foremost lol.

 

Hahaha well said man, it's so easy to call fighters bums these days it really amazes me. Like if you aren't top 5 you're a bum.

And a lot of casuals are like *this guy isn't top 5* then you ask them who their top 5 is, and they are like *well there isn't really a top 5 because the division is weak*

LOL it does not work that way!

But I'm happy to see Dillian get the support he deserves, and I'm sure he has shut enough haters up already. I always back him in any forum and on youtube lol but the hate is strong with some people!

 

I also remember people having guys like Hammer and Mariusz Wach above Dillian Whyte in their personal top
10s.

And there were even a lot of people who said Browne will knockout Whyte in a couple of rounds and after
Whyte destroyed Browne in a brutal one sided beatdown, Browne was suddenly old and shot, same case with Wilder, people said Ortiz would destroy Wilder and they would stop calling him a fraud after he somehow manages to win the fight, after he did win the fight Ortiz was suddenly 50 years old and Wilder is now even a bigger fraud, that's what wer'e dealing with.

 

I think Ortiz is a good, solid boxer with above average power. He passes the eye test. He's also on the downhill and is shrivelling up before our eyes. In no universe is his resume better than Povetkin's. I very much suspect his "almost KO" of Wilder is going to be the high point of his career.

 

Yeah man, I totally relate to the frustration lol unfortunately that's just how onlookers are going to be, hypocrites and trolls and downright silly.

But we gotta love dillian whyte looool just continues to win - AJ too, haters are being defeated bout by bout.

 

This seems like a product of Luis being hispanic at hw to me. How do the Americans and Europeans get ranked in the first place? When they're still fighting domestics at home they're in the lower half of the top ten because the home domestic belts get them an automatic ranking on the world ranks and more spotlight on international media. It was like a decade ago I first heard of Tyson Fury and I'm Puerto Rican. For the hispanic HWs they have to get an international title to be auto ranked. They have to get out of their home nation's rankings and be one of the best hispanics period to get ranked at all in the legit top tens. Without the press to cover it who from the TRBR is going unknown names because they saw them and reckon they're pretty good?

I'm not saying it's racist, it's an infrastructure thing more than anything. Why would youse lot watch our fat, plodding, no hopers in the first place? They kind of need to prove themselves a little more than your domestic prospects because a great HW coming from the US, UK, or Europe is normal, we have quiet man only.

 

ortiz always passed my eye test

with the exception of his dvertised height

he found it hard to punch up at a loose and tall wilder.

ortiz opposition is solely down to the fact he has no live fanbase/no tv hardcore fanbase/
he does all his interviews in spanish/ and has no money behind him to pay opponents .

i said it before the wilder fight that any win over him is a good win and that now he lost he is in the who needs him club / to good to fight for a small payday if there are easier options or more money on the table.

pulev is in the exact same boat.

 

Before facing Wilder, Luis Ortiz fought some of the worst imaginable opposition, with the exception of Bryant Jennings.

Example: in 2012 as a 17-0 fighter, he faced Juan Carlos Antonio Maldonado in that boxer's pro debut!

In the previous fight, at 16-0 Ortiz fought Jose Santos Peralta who had a record of 1-2.

Lateef Kayode was a decent opponent when the then 21-0 Ortiz fought him, but Ortiz failed a drug test for that one.

 

That doesn't address anything I said.

No one has the balls to put any latino HW on any world ranking system until they've gotten out of their domestic level. You can rationalize it however you want, we assume it's because of lack of coverage in the english speaking world but if that doesn't suit you then you give me an explanation as to why Euros, Oceanics, Americans north of Mexico, and even Japanese only have to win a domestic level belt. Hughie Fury has to be ranked by the WBC because he's the British Champion. Fujimoto gets ranked without beating anyone else on the world level ever by being the Japanese champion. Does BBBofC champ have to fight anyone who isn't ranked by the BBBofC to become BBBofC champ? What is Mexico, easily our biggest nation in boxing even at HW, have that's equivalent? We have **** like FECARBOX and FECOMBOX. **** youse ain't never heard of because it doesn't get you on the world stage it gets you a shot at a continental or international title. Win a FECARBOX HW title and you can fight for the WBC Americas Continental title, win that and now your World Ranked. Where as the Brits just have to be the best of the Brits and they're automatically a world ranked fighter. We rationalize that by our lack of great HWs in the past and our lack of HW coverage in the english speaking world but if that's not it you tell me why a British title is a world rank title while a Mexican and anything more south is only worth being considered on the continental stage.

Hispanics have to be the British equivalent of the EBU champion to get a world rank. Means your guys are fighting world ranked guys at an earlier part of their careers because their upper end domestic level is a world rank level.