Luis Ortiz vs Joe Joyce

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Babality, Jan 21, 2021.

Who wins?

  1. Ortiz KO

    13 vote(s)
    18.1%
  2. Ortiz Dec

    8 vote(s)
    11.1%
  3. Joyce KO

    39 vote(s)
    54.2%
  4. Joyce Dec

    12 vote(s)
    16.7%
  1. Alo2006

    Alo2006 R.I.P Sean Taylor Full Member

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    Got my money on the tough and gritty old man by KO! I like Joyce, but he's too easy to hit for Ortiz not to land a big shot.
     
  2. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ortiz is obviously a very dangerous fighter, his ability to land a devastating counter makes him a threat to anyone. But having said that Joyce showed vs Dubois he can stick behind his quality jab and move and not just walk in and be countered like he has done vs lesser opponents. Joyce also has a solid chin, he may not be so easy to put away even if Ortiz does land a bomb.

    Ortiz is a plodder, he needs fighters to come to him to look good, so he can set his feet and counter, he'll struggle with the movement and jab of Joyce and once he tires like he did twice vs Wilder he'll be vulnerable himself and once Joyce feels the old man tire he'll turn up the pace and get Ortiz out of there.
     
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  3. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 The Original 101.3 Full Member

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    :couch:
    Oh no
     
  4. drenlou

    drenlou The Real KING OF THE HILL! Full Member

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    :detenido:
     
  5. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 The Original 101.3 Full Member

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    Lol have a good day Dren
     
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  6. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mike Perez and Artur Szpilka were undefeated and top 20 when Jennings beat them. Jennings was ranked at No. 7 when Ortiz beat him too.
     
  7. Safin

    Safin Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I think it's more than debatable as to whether Ortiz is a step up over Dubois.

    Ortiz is as old as the dirt your house is built upon. He's hardly beaten anybody who's any good. Dubois hasn't either, but at least he's young. He'll have a better career than Ortiz.

    To answer the question, Joyce easily beats Ortiz - obviously.
     
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  8. destruction

    destruction Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ortiz is a 5-6 round fighter these days and he gasses horribly after that point. With every passing year he gets further away from his 50th birthday.

    Joyce is a relentless truck, who has great stamina and output.

    Joyce by late stoppage.
     
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  9. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    The fight would take a lot out of Joyce but he would prevail by stoppage victory down the stretch
     
  10. Leeroy84

    Leeroy84 Active Member Full Member

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    Joyce eats big shots for breakfast. Even a prime Ortiz "way back in the day" has nothing in his arsenal that can deter the juggernaut.
    Thump thump thump forward forward forward.
    Joyce walks through Ortiz taking everything he has to offer, without as much as a flinch. Just a smile followed by another jab.
    Maybe a 16lb long shaft keying hammer would help Ortiz, but thats debatable.
     
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  11. Finkel

    Finkel Member Full Member

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    May I ask which rankings you are using for the historical record?
    I'm going off the PBO rankings, as they are algorithm based. They had Perez at 21and Spilka at 23, and Dimitrenko at 22.

    But it doesn't matter much, as I was wrong anyway. Jennings was also coming off a loss when he fought Joyce. I thought he fought Joyce then Rivas. It was the other way around. Which definitely changes things.
     
  12. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 The Original 101.3 Full Member

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    Ortiz can not bang hard enough to crack Joyces caveman type jaw I'm afraid
     
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  13. sid

    sid Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This^^^
     
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  14. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Taking Ortiz from 4 years ago against Joyce from now I’d favour him to take a tough and hard fought decision, but I do see the argument for Joyce at the stage they are both at now.

    Ortiz as a live underdog, but I’d slightly favour Joyce coming on strong down the stretch.
     
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  15. Alo2006

    Alo2006 R.I.P Sean Taylor Full Member

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    What fighter has Joyce fought that hits harder than Ortiz to prove your opinion?