Luis Ortiz vs Oscar Rivas ... who takes it?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Aydamn, Nov 30, 2019.


Who wins?

  1. Rivas

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    51.4%

  2. Ortiz

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    48.6%
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  1. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Canelo on points
     
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  2. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, but current Ortiz isn't the same Ortiz that stopped Jennings. No way 2015 version of Ortiz would look as bad vs Kauffman and Hammers as current version did
     
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  3. Southpawology

    Southpawology Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Subtle.... who's win was better, Wilder or the cheat Dillion Whyte's

    why don't we ask, who used the right gloves in the fight or who was the cleanest during the fight?

    Or maybe that's a thought the OP doesn't want to hear
     
    Southpawology, Dec 4, 2019
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  4. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    I dont want to hear false allegations

    Take your bum hatred elsewhere.. gloves dont win fights

    So go **** yourself
     
    Aydamn, Dec 4, 2019
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  5. Southpawology

    Southpawology Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1 ban not enough for you?

    Can I ask, how does one become so emotionally invested in a fighter who has been caught cheating on numerous occasions and quite frankly, is universally disliked by fans and governing bodies alike for his behaviour and indiscretions

    Surely u must be related to him and in some sort of absurd way this is you trying to fight his corner or something?
     
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  6. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I cant see Ortiz lasting the 12 rounds if he allowed himself to get hit by Rivas anywhere near the amount he did against Hammer.
     
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  7. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Rivas is very unproven and easy to take rounds off of.
     
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  8. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    You are a deluded banana making **** up. He is one of the most respected fighters in the division you absolute dumb arrse of a human being. I could bring to you 1000 social media comments from last week ALONE praising Whyte and supporting him.

    He has support from his peers, and his opponents in the division. All wanting him to get a title shot.

    He was done ONCE previously for a pre workout you piece of ****.

    And he is alleged to have a PED convicition at this current time, YET no ****ing evidence has presented itself. Instead rumours saying he failed... as well as an equal amount of rumours saying he is clear/clean/truth will come out proving his innocence. Bellew, Radio Raheem and a bunch of others in the loop know he is clean but cant comment due to confidentiality...

    So you stay being an absolute wasteman at this current time... and 6 months from now when Whyte is still fighting, and still climbing to the top of the division.

    He doesn't need you or shitty attitude, hatred... he has enough fans and respect from people like Parker and Chisora, Frank Bruno, Paulie, many... MANY boxers support him.

    Plus the MILLION PLUS PPV that he continues to break numbers for... and the O2 arena that he continually sells out... whether you attend or not.

    You are a piece of **** to be honest, and bad for the forum/sport in trying to put the good guys down.
     
    Aydamn, Dec 4, 2019
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  9. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    How unproven do you need to be to beat Jennings and go the distance with Whyte who is as proven as it gets in the division? I swear you are a doctor? Aren't those guys a bit intelligent?
     
    Aydamn, Dec 4, 2019
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  10. Southpawology

    Southpawology Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I honestly don't know if you are deluded, related to the guy, maybe even the guy himself or you genuinely believe the drivel you just took the time to write.

    This level of obsession cannot be healthy for an individual

    Ill ask you one question, if he is innocent, why can people not defend him? why can he not defend himself?

    Why all the cloak and daggers, surely even you, his biggest fan must think this is strange. A persons character can be called into question, his name dragged through the mud he's so used too and accused of being the worst thing in the world, a cheat in sport, yet he cannot defend himself?

    An allegation no less that could cost him and his promotional team millions

    Then he returns under the radar, on an undercard after being on PPV in a country like Saudi. Jes, the more I type this, the dodgyier it sounds hahahaha
     
    Southpawology, Dec 4, 2019
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  11. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To be fair Whyteis innocent untill proven guilty. As far we know

    - Whyte passed all VADA tests

    - Got cleared by British Boxing board of control - not only to box in Saudi event which is over seen by them but was able to box in UK at any time.

    - UKAD have on going investigation and have not suspended Whyte.

    - The only board who have taken official action is the WBC by giving Fury Whytes mandatory spot . Which means Whyte will have to wait to the beginning of 2021 before being made mandatory again if so. Which is odd route of action to take considering the Whyte passed all their VADA testing.
     
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  12. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    He lost a whole by bunch of rounds to a past it Jennings and a guy who lost more rounds to Chisora than Ortiz has lost in his career. Therefore, even a forty year old Ortiz would take care of him.
     
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  13. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    As usual the haters laugh "hahaha" then Whyte has the last laugh? How much you wanna bet he gets back to selling PPV in droves like he used to>?

    Yeah lets make that bet now.

    Look at the comments on this video posted 17 hours ago and tell me he doesnt get respect or support:
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    I fully understand and believe in the UKAD/NADP confidentiality clause.. it is crystal clear to me that he has to toe a thin line in conducting himself professionally untils matters are resolved by UKAD at a time of their choosing. It makes PERFECT sense to me, that when you are in his situation, you want to play by the rules and not mess up... like when you need to attend a court case and you dont lose your cool in the court room until verdicts are reached and matters are settled.

    Your hate for Whyte is disgusting. He takes on the best fighters, he works his way up from a big loss to Joshua. He takes fan fights... they wanted Chisora rematch...no no.. EVERYONE wanted it.. and he took it when HE DIDNT NEED TOO. This guy takes crazy ass fights on short notice... with NOTHING to gain and EVERYTHING to lose.

    THIS IS SOMEONE you respect not some you put down. And his success is measurable by the sheer amount of people who attend his fights, and buy his PPVs as a non contender.

    He is dedicated... trains hard... doesnt walk away from the sport or take breaks... he has been patiently waiting as NUMBER 1 for the longest ****ing time in history with no title shot despite offering 9 million pounds for the champ to fight him... so its a clear resounding DUCK.

    Whyte is perfect for the sport, he is PERFECT. He is the guy who fights his heart out and puts on good shows, against top opposition. Always challenging himself... self taught.. self made... no pedigree... was fighting out of garages... no diet, no expert training...
     
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  14. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, according to many here, Ortiz has beaten noone. So with that respect, Rivas has beaten noone too. Not to mention, Rivas has been a pro for longer and got a gift decision against cruiserweight journeyman Sylvera Louis.
     
    theanatolian, Dec 4, 2019
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  15. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    So count with me then, so we can prove what you say... how many rounds did Dillian lose against Chisora, and how many rounds did rivas lose against Jennings?

    Going obviously by the judges scorecards, and not your biased sit on the couch eating donuts judging.

    In fact while we are on the topic... lets see how many rounds Whyte has won and Rivas has won in their entire pro career versus Ortiz and his pro career... and then we give Whyte a 25% bonus because he has no amateur pedigree so at a skill disadvantage. That's a modest bonus.

    I mean Ortiz has had like 700 amateur fights right? That puts Whyte at a huge disadvantage skill wise, as he has had to get those skills on the job as a pro.
     
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