Lupe Pintor Discussion.......

In the book and documentary (Johnny Owen The Long Journey) he really does come across as a decent man does n't he? As do the Owen family. The book is well worth anyone's time. It's also nice to see someone make it out with their health and security. Especially after such a hard start and the tragedy with Johnny Owen.

 

Damn -was not til you posted that that I noticed the date on the initial posts including the one I quoted. Good subject for a discussion whenever it was!

 

It's strange Pintor isn't mentioned with some of the other Mexican
greats. He wasn't the greatest Mexican boxer of all times, but reasonably
can be placed top 15-20. Which is still very high when one considers
how many great fighters that came from that country.
He was one of my favorites, and quite a few of his fights were
televised on CBS sports live in the 80's.
Pintor had excellent body punching skills, and a good
array of combo punches in close.
A heck of a fighter.

 

I like everything about him.

Love his all-purpose style, his good combination of defensive and offensive skills.

Agree with all the posts that rate him highly - he is underrated. Like Flash said, I think he’s a top 15-20 all-time from Mexico and H2H I’d pick him over a few that are probably higher than him.

 

Glad to see Lupe Pintor getting more appreciation. Guy fought with a workman-like attitude and fought tooth and nail. And as others have said a great and spiteful body puncher. The Zarate controversy is something that always lingers on him unfortunately but it doesn't make him any less of a fine fighter that he truly is.

Pintor vs Davila 2 and Pintor vs Gomez are one of my favorite fights to re-watch.

 

Also I think Pintor had more than a good chance to beat Chandler. A win over Chandler would have elevated Pintor and most likely put him in the discussion with other great Mexican boxers. A shame it never came to fruition.

 

His career is sadly defined by a bunch of things beyond his control:

1) weirdo judging in Zarate fight
2) no rematch with Zarate
3) the death of Johnny Owen which depresses everyone to not even want to think about anything related to it
4) the Chandler fight that never happened

If Zarate had stuck around for a rematch, and if he'd fought Chandler, we'd have a much better idea of where he stands among all time BWs. Unfortunately those things never happened.

 

I think he could be top 15-20 but there are other strong candidates

Salvador Sanchez
Julio Cesar Chavez
Vicente Saldivar
Marco Antonio Barrera
Erik Morales
Juan Manuel Marquez
Miguel Canto
Daniel Zaragoza
Ruben Olivares
Carlos Zarate
Baby Arizmendi
Ricardo Lopez
Rafael Marquez
Canelo Alvarez
Juan Francisco Estrada
Jorge Arce
Jose Luis Ramirez
Jose Luis Castillo
Carlos Palomino
Pipino Cuevas
Rafael Herrera
Israel Vasquez

That's just random names that popped up in my head.

 

I'd take Pintor over Alvarez everyday and twice on Sunday.
Pound 4 pound, Pintor fought a much better grade of competition.
Pintor didn't go to the Floyd Mayweather school of avoiding the
best competition as Alvarez did.

 

Well remember a murderous punching BW gaining traction in the early 70s Romeo Anaya, 50 wins 42 by KO.
stay safe amigo.

 

Top 15 seems reasonable for him among Mexican fighters. He’s somewhat underrated due to reasons mentioned already, like the gift against Zárate, the Chandler fight never happening and the fact he lost his biggest fight (Gomez). But he had an excellent resume even though he wasn’t as “stylish” as others or as popular.

I don’t think he’d have beaten Chandler at their peaks. I think Chandler was too quick and overall far more skilled and would win handily unless he decided to go into an all-out war which I’m sure he would refrain from.

 

I know you didn’t ask me, Sal, but I had it by two points to Zarate as well. The key was the KD in round 4, which I scored a two-point round for Carlos.