Lupe Pintor vs Rafael Marquez

My memory of Pintor was as a pressure fighter. But now, when I watch his fights I'm impressed that he was a better boxer than I was giving him credit for being. The Zarate fight (regardless of how you score it) is an example of that. I also see Pintor being a little more precise and tighter defensively than Marquez. I guess you give Marquez an edge in movement but Pintor had a great knack for getting himself in range.
I recently watched Marquez - Vasquez and Pac - JMM back to back. I liked Pac - JMM better because I thought it was fought at a higher skill level and likewise I think Pintor is a half notch or a notch above Rafael.
I'll take Pintor on a clear decision.

 

Lupe Pintor by KO in the middle rounds.

 

I actually was saying that I dont think Izzy was all that better than Meza in a H2H sense.

For now no way. It is arguable if he was better at superbantam as many thought he was on the slide by the time he won the title..Time will tell how big a win the Mabuza fights were because Silence has done almost nothing notable except lose to Marquez..Carjabal is a pretty good win though.

I really get sick of people accusing some of having an agenda against modern fighters..Im 22.. its not as though Im nostalgic or anything and most of my favourite fighters fought in the modern era because I grew up with them..I just totally disagree that you can come to that conclusion about Pintor by doing the things you have said you have done.
Each to their own I guess...But fair go, dont harp on about bias for or against old times fighter, I dont appreciate the insinuation.

 

You are underrating Marquez Rock.
If he can get back to his old form id put him in the top 5 PFP.

THis fight is almost Pickem to me although im leaning towards Pintor, who had the better chin. Although Marquez is the more fluid and hit at as hard as pintor at 118.

 

I dont think I do at all anarci...We are comparing him to Pintor here, not just some run of the mill titlist.

My main gripe about Marquez is not that he didnt have p4p ability but he really didnt prove himself to be the absolute no1 in his division..so why does he get such accolades above the other champs of the time?

He certainly didnt clean out the division.

I have in the past underrated Austin though..I realise he is better and more accomplished then I first gave him credit for..So that certainly reflects better on Rafa.

 

Pintor was an all around boxer, he could slip punches and throw compilations at will. I think it would of be trouble for marquez.

 

Well you admitted that you underrate Austin. So maybe you know that he was considered the best bantam at the time Marquez beat him(even better than Sahaprom) and Marquez kod him. Austin was on many peoples PFP list. MJ was fighting above his natural JB division but only by 3 pounds and he hadnt lost in 11 years since his second pro fight, also remember that he beat Undeafeated and talented world champ Fernando Montiel after the Marquez fights:yep So those were big wins for Marquez not to mention his title defenses and his win over Vasquez, not much seperated those 2 and that was at the higher weight. I also disagree with you on Meza and Vasquez i think a prime Vasquez is a little better than Meza
Wasnt his fault he didnt clean out the division as fighting the other champs doesnt happen 2 often today unless there is big money to be made
If you wanna say that than you can say Pintor never fought Jeff Chandler or Gaby Canizales .
I think Pintor was a great fighter,but i think this is a helluva matchup. Like i said before im leaning towards Pintor but not by much.

 

I feel he was also...but there was at least an argument for Sahaprom being over him, even if its not particularly strong. I mean their records were pretty similar at that stage.

I think the fact he hit hard, was pretty T.V friendly and was American had just as much to do with him being in p4p lists...Which I dont put a hell of a lot into anyway.

3 pounds can be a hell of a lot down there you know that..Especially when you are facing a notoriously massive weight cutter like Marquez. By fight time the difference was not 3 pounds and I think Too Sharp looked less then Sharp in both of those fights.

I think the evidence points to Too Sharp being a natural flyweight more then a junior bantam...He didnt move up to his late 20's I thought or just about.

I only said Meza wasnt all that inferior to Izzy...not better and overall he wasnt. But there wasnt a whole heap in it.

Im not comparing their careers in that sense..Just who they proved themselves against and how thats relevant here.

It was a bit of a gripe I had at the time as to why Marquez was getting those lofty ratings over similarly credentialed and abled fighters. It really doesnt have much of a place as this isnt about who was the greater bantam..just who would win.
But I dont know I just felt like throwing it out there.

 

I think Hasegawa would beat Rafa at their respective bests at 118.

Considering we may not have seen 'the best' of Hasegawa yet I'm either a mentalist or well informed

 

Hasegawa is a good fighter and doesnt get the recognition he deserves but to be honest Flea i dont believe you think that you just want someone to argue with.

 

Very odd thing to say Anarci

 

Austin was a typically overrated American Bantam, given accolades before he had really earned them.

There was no clear no.1 at bantam, but Sahaprom was by far the more talented fighter of the three imo.

I was never a big fan of Marquez or Austin.Rafa was half the fighter his brother was.