Luther McCarty vs Jack Johnson, 1913

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  1. Mendoza

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    I was looking at McCarty's record. He had already beaten three men that Johnson gave title shots too, and had a better result with Willard.

    From 1912 to 1913 he defeated:

    KO Flynn, KO Kaufman in 2!, and UD Moran. He also drew with Willard at age 20.

    McCarthy was clearly on a roll and battle tested. A big guy 6'4", 80" reach with a punch.

    How would a late 1913 fight with Johnson have gone?


    Historian Callis on McCarty:
     
  2. mcvey

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    After McCarty [no H,] beat Moran in1913, Johnson cabled Tommy Burns who was then promoting fights, and Arthur Pelkey in particular.Burns had an arena in Canada.

    Exiled Johnson offered to defend his title against McCarty in Canada it made all the papers.
    Burns dismissed the idea saying Johnson was not a proper person. What he really wanted was McCarty to fight his protégé Pelkey which he duly did and the rest is history.
     
  3. Mendoza

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    A head injury from a rodeo did McCarty in, not Pelkey

    You call on McCarty vs Johnson in 1913 is?
     
  4. mcvey

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    I know what killed McCarty. I have a photo of him lying on the grass after the fight .
    Johnson beats McCarty easily by decision.
     
  5. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have Luther tabbed at 6-1 1/2, 75 1/2 reach and don't think he was a massive puncher except for a good right uppercut.
     
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  8. Mendoza

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    Based on what? Jack was a little older and clearly did not do as well as the same group of guys.

    McCarty as a very young man beat: KO Flynn, KO Kaufman in 2!, and UD Moran. He also drew with Willard at age 20. With this type of experience, he was ready for anyone by 1913.
     
  9. mcvey

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    The article I posted on him while exaggerated and glowing did not think so, it said in a few years time. Moran, when he fought McCarty had beaten no one.Neither had 9-2-0 Willard, both improved significantly.
    After losing to Johnson in1912 Flynn went into terminal decline, he had 70 more fights and won just 21 of them.
     
  10. Seamus

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  11. mcvey

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    You mean servants don't you?:lol:
     
  12. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :razz: Certainly no grey areas!
     
  13. Melankomas

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    So McCarty could’ve been in the ring with Johnson instead of Pelkey on that fated day? How unfortunate
     
  14. mcvey

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    Pelkey was devastated by the tragedy,and financially ruined.He kept fighting to alleviate legal expenses ,but was never any good afterwards,not that he was anything special before the fight with the Cowboy.
     
  15. Historical boxing society

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    I dont Think Luther Mccarthy was quite developed enough to beat Johnson at that point. He was still in the development stage. If he lived I do think he would have done well by the year 1915 against Johnson. I am of the belief he had more talent than Willard.

    Another year or 2 he would have really ascended to a much better boxer. It appears he had the most natural talent among many of the heavyweights.

    He just had not hit peak form when he passed away in my option.
     
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