Lyle Alzado vs Hafþór Björnsson

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Who wins?

  1. Alzado

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  2. Björnsson

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Björnsson from his most recent boxing match. Facing him will be Lyle Alzado from Alzado's Ali exhibition.

    8 rounds; professional boxing rules.

    Who wins?
     
  2. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Personally, I'll go with Alzado. He's smaller than The Mountain, sure, but Alzado was much more experienced as an amateur boxer going into the Ali bout than Björnsson currently is. The longer distance makes Alzado's size disadvantage less of a handicap as well, although he will have to adapt to being the smaller man.

    Alzado is also simply tougher and meaner than Björnsson, which ought to count for something.
     
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  3. mr. magoo

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    I went with the mountain. But Alzado was a true tough guy
     
  4. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Bob N Weave Full Member

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    Thor needed a breather after a body shot from Lopez and got beat up by guys half his size while wearing head gear.

    He is a lot like Eddie Hall in the sense that he is in for a rude awakening I hate that either of them post videos like "A day in the life of a boxer"

    Hall and Thor are constantly trying to brand themselves with boxing and it is just cringey.

    Anyways the brain dead Ali who Azaldo beat up on was better then Thor could ever aspire to be.

    Alzado was also a piece of sh1t of the highest order for going so hard on a man with brain damage fck him.
     
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  5. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Bob N Weave Full Member

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    He was a football player who went hard after a man with brain damage.
     
  6. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It would take a full Thor to beat Alzado. Haf a Thor wouldn’t get it done.
     
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  7. mr. magoo

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    Oh the guy was still a bad ass
     
  8. Journeyman92

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    How so?
     
  9. mr. magoo

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    Because rather than just being a power lifter he actually crushed guys for a living. Do you truly know who he was or did you just see this thread and google him and say “ oh he was just a football player who happened to spar in an exhibition with Ali ” ?
     
  10. cross_trainer

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    @mr. magoo probably knows more about him than I do, but Alzado was known in the football community for being tough and aggressive as a player within the sport. He apparently also was known for streetfighting off the playing fields, and was willing to fight Ali on short notice and actually make it a serious fight. (Alzado presumably didn't know when he accepted the fight that Ali wouldn't train.)

    This doesn't necessarily negate your earlier point that Alzado was a bully and a thug, though. The two aren't mutually exclusive, IMO; both you and Magoo may be right.

    EDIT: I do feel compelled to point out, in fairness to Alzado, that we hadn't seen the Holmes bout yet when Alzado fought Ali. IIRC, Ali and Alzado fought in 79. The 1980 Holmes fight, and the decline it made obvious, was still in the future.
     
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  11. Journeyman92

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    :lol: "Crushed guys" On a football field.
     
  12. Journeyman92

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    He was a football player was my point who's highlight as a tough guy was taking it hard to a brain damaged Ali.
     
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  13. cross_trainer

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    I edited my post above; from what I remember the Alzado fight came before Holmes-Ali. I don't know whether Ali's brain damage was common knowledge in 1979.

    That said, there were other things that made Alzado tough besides fighting Ali. He competed in the Golden Gloves when younger, he had streetfights, and he played a rough style of football. None of these things make him tougher than a professional boxer, but they -- and the fact that he was willing to jump into the ring with Ali on a dime -- paint a consistent picture of a guy who is more comfortable with violence and a lot tougher *than Hafþór Björnsson*.

    It's like outrunning a bear. You don't have to be faster than the bear. You only have to be faster than the guy running next to you. And the guy running next to Alzado is a professional strongman with a couple exhibition fights and (as far as I can tell) a much more civilized and violence-free reputation. That's why I would consider Alzado tough within the context of this thread.

    Although, yes, somebody like Norton would have made Alzado a whole lot less eager to get into a boxing ring again. Alzado was lucky he hadn't challenged somebody like Norton, Holmes...Ron Lyle or Shavers if you're feeling ruthless...etc.
     
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  14. Entaowed

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    I am a moralist quick to "Tune Up" cruel behavior, but I was a kid at the time & in 1979, or even 1980 in the lead up to the Holmes bout, nobody was saying Ali was brain damaged.
    He was yet another fighter trying to hold on too long, but people wanted to believe he could pull off another miracle.
    Given the lack of transparency then-& way before the Internet-it was understandable people would think it was possible.

    Alzado might have had many flaws, but he did not know Ali's condition.
     
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  15. Saintpat

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    Ali was not known to be brain damaged at this time.

    You can retroactively look and say ‘I see all the signs’ but the Mayo Clinic and UCLA medical center both did complete work ups on him and cleared him to fight after this. It’s easy to know how he ended up and then say ‘I see all the clues’ but at the time this wasn’t a thing.

    Much is made of Ferdie Pacheco walking way but when he did AT THE TIME he said he was worried about Ali having kidney issues and when the Mayo Clinic (the No. 1 medical facility in the world) did its workup and said he did not have such problems Ferdie issued a statement and said ‘Well I’m glad you got it checked out, if they say you’re good then you must be good, I still wish you’d retire but I wish you the best of luck if you don’t.’

    It’s not like Ali was walking around and everyone in the world was saying ‘OMG he’s brain damaged.’ To act like Lyle knowingly walked into the ring with a man who was half brain-dead is ludicrous.
     
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