MAB v JMM: Who won?

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  1. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    jmm fans can't take what? The fact that he won. :good
     
  2. coffeehunk

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  3. koko of phil

    koko of phil Ring of Fire Resident Full Member

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    I have MAB winning without that foul punch he threw on Marquez.
     
  4. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I'm a Barrera fan, and although the fight was much more competitive than my own scorecard seems to indicate, I had MAB losing big-time (118-109).

    Barrera just wasn't doing enough to win rounds, IMO.

    Make no mistake--I thought Barrera would win, and I wanted him to win.

    I wrote a brief piece both before and after the bout for confirmation of this, and I just don't believe Barrera did what he needed to do in order to win.
     
  5. Rumsfeld

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    Agreed.

    It broke my heart watching MAB unable to do just that little bit extra in order to secure victory. He had every tool needed to beat JMM--he just didn't seem to want to take the risks needed to outwork JMM.

    He could have easily won, but he was being outhustled--just enough--to lose the majority of rounds.

    JMM fought a very smart fight that night.
     
  6. Rumsfeld

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    Agreed.

    Although fighting Pacquiao is nothing like a match-up with JMM, I fear MAB's inferior workrate will once again be his undoing.
     
  7. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    GO BARRERA, INDEED!!!

    :hh :hh :hh
     
  8. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I had it one round for MAB...two at the very most. It was a close fight but I think MAB did enough to get the nod.
     
  9. Doomas

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    I had JMM winning by 1 point. Fishy stuff.
     
  10. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    I scored it 7-5 with and JMM gets a kd.

    Bogus round. JMM was clearly put down. MABs late punch was even the refs fault. MAB didn't hit him straight away, he paused. Nady left it too long and by the time he touched MAB, instinct had told him to punch this guy again.
     
  11. divac

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    Unfortunately, the commentating team at HBO is good enough to brainwash most except for the most astute boxing fans at home.

    Its not any coincidence that most boxing scribes who viewed the fight live had JMM clearly beating MAB.

    The same thing happened in the Mosely-DLH rematch.
    Those who watched live almost to a man, were of the opinion that Mosely beat DLH.....but those who watched the HBO telecast were outraged and pointing to what HBO had fed them the entire night, that it was a robbery!
     
  12. Biggame

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    I had JMM winning a competative fight. I myself after watching the fight over and over again found myself scoring it 116-12. That's the closest I got, and I even Scored it 117-111. After scoring the KD on y own card I still had JMM up 115-113. I had no doubt who won the fight.

    HBO can really sway folks watching on TV. They can convince you that MAB was right there and the fight was up in the air even while you're looking at MAB frustrated expressions! He indeed was determined, but you couldn't help but notice that he was beyond frustrated. At one point it almost seemed like he didn't want to be there anymore.

    Now on a side night I always felt a prime JMM would beat both MAB, and EM! MAB has a big fight coming up, and I think he'll be much better prepared for the rematch which he always does good in. I think he has enough to pull off the victory, and then have a rematch w/JMM! I don't think he'll win it, but it should be a given for whoever wins between MAB and PAC!!
     
  13. divac

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    We are of the same opinion that JMM has been the best featherweight all along.

    There are those of the opinion that state that MAB being competitive with JMM was proof that he would beat JMM in a prime for prime matchup.
    ......of course, they turn a blind eye to the fact that JMM is not only older than MAB, but has lost some speed and quickness himself.

    .......and then not only that. The fight would have played out differently in a prime for prime matchup.
    For their actual fight, Nacho Beristein (JMM's trainer) noted that JMM would have to attack and take the title from the legend.
    "We cannot afford and sit back and wait for MAB to come to us so that JMM can do what he does best......We have to take it from him!"

    A prime for prime matchup would have found MAB more willing to go on the offensive and not sit back trading jabs and wait for JMM to attack him.
    More than likely it would have been MAB attacking, and JMM sitting back in the pocket in counter mode.

    A fighter in counter mode gets hit alot less than when he's in attack mode.
    So imo, a prime for prime matchup would have been that more decisive in favor of JMM, because he would not have had the burden of seeing to it that he clearly beat up on a legend in the eyes of the judges.
     
  14. Biggame

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    Exactly:good

    I think a prime JMM would best all three(PAC, MAB, EM) in decisive fashion w/the possiblity of stopping all of them. He was much faster, & sharper then, and he carried very good power! Thier styles would play right into his! i think when it's all said and done JMM will emerge at the top, and Pac or Guzman behind!
     
  15. Imperial1

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    A prime JMM? When was he at his prime during the John fight ?The Manny fight or the Barrera fight ??