MAB v JMM: Who won?

Even the bias HBO punchstat tickers had the fight about even in connects.......

.......even if you take their word on connects......its clear as day that JMM lander the much harder and much cleaner, and certainly more telling blows.....

How somebody could say it could have gone either way when the connects are about the same, but the cleaner, harder, more telling blows clearly tilt in one favor, is beyond reasonable comprehension.atsch

 

It could "NOT" have gone either way . . . JMM won the fight by at least two rounds. :yep

 

Just as I suspected. But you're not alone. You've clearly only watched JMM from Pac to present.....

A prime JMM was the fighter during the time Hamed was petitioning the WBC several times to bypass his mandatory, and during the time frame where neither MAB or Morales would have the audacity to even acknowleadge that a JMM existed......

MAB and Morales got to busy fighting eachother that neither would want to risk fighting and very possibly losing to JMM.

Like most, you missed JMM's prime friend!
None of the top fighters wanted to fight him, and even Freddie Roach was beside himself when Murad Muhamad (at the time Manny Pac's promoter) got Manny the fight with JMM!

In Freddie Roach's own words, "JMM is the best of the three, Manny should milk this before he tries his hand at JMM!"

The fans had no idea who JMM was, but boxing trainers around the world surely did!:yep

 

Oh I will admit I heard of JMM but had not seen enough of him until the Manny fight ..But how can your measure a fighters prime when no one wanted to fight him ? How could people have seen how far he has progressed ..Look at Manny he stared his career at Flyweight but most people feel he is in his prime right now ..Is that a fair question ?Let me know !

 

Look at your own avatar Pea......
SI could'nt even find a clear connect in which to put in the front cover and call Whitaker the best.

If you look at that picture, Whitaker is already fully stretched and the punch has'nt gotten there yet.....much of how many of the rounds went with JC Chavez but were still called connects nonetheless!

Whitaker probably barely grazed McGirt there with the tip of the leather, and I have no doubt in my mind is was called a connect!

How effective of a connect is my question mark.:yep

Avatar connect effectiveness = 0:hey :deal :yep

 

I was fortunate enough to have been a boxing fan living in Los Angeles
when both JMM and MAB were young prospects fighting before their championship days.

MAB's fight with Kennedy McKinney is what put him on the map.
It was a life and death struggle that got him noticed

For JMM, he was too good to get in a punch for punch battle.
He stood in the pocket and counterpunched his foes handily, and then attacked them and stopped them once they had been softened.

The way JMM went about his business in the ring was sheer brilliance, and anybody who witnessed it and knew anything about the sport of boxing, knew it.
The drawback is that the other talents in the divisions he was in did'nt want to try their luck at him.

I cant point to one specific fight against a known fighter because none wanted to fight him.
Theres a couple of fights against who people on this very board predicted he might lose against.....he dominated and stopped a tough Robbie Peden who at the time was highly rated and once beaten.
Peden retired on his stool vomiting blood.....

Mantecas Medina is another name that comes to mind that Marquez completely embarrassed.
Medina had given everybody he had faced to that point including Hamed, tough fights, but Marquez clearly disected him, dominated him, and stopped him like not other champion had done before.
These are impressive victories that you say to yourself, I see why the others are avoiding him.:deal


The Pac and MAB fights are the fights that substantiate what I already thought of JMM well before most had ever heard of him......and are indicators of the reasoning behind prior champions like Hamed, MAB, and Morales never went out of their way to mention him.

Simply stated, JMM never had the promoter to look out for him and put him on the map.
When JMM signed with Bob Arum, he was unlucky in that Arum better interest was to get Morales the fights rather than JMM.

The story is too long to go on and on.....its already been told in this forum many times......those who want to educate themselves would do the homework and find that my points are true.
Those who dont want to believe it, for whatever reason (they may have grown and loved the MAB-Morales trilogy, and dont want to believe that there was actually a fighter in existence at the time that was better.....it seems like a logical reason to me, but the truth is that JMM was never let into the loop with a chance to prove himself.
His last two fights against great fighters, JMM has proven that he more than belongs!!!!

 

I watched the Medina fight, it was a beatdown. Medina had JMM in the ropes and missed entire combinations only to get countered silly in the process. That double left hook that dropped Medina was brilliant and that overhand right to the temple/ears is killer.

 

:yep ....and Medina was a highworkrate, sound technical fighter.
Poor Mantecas was countered brutally and unmercifully!

 

jmm was a real genius in counterpunching :good

 

I think that JMM won and I don't even have that much of a problem with the margin of the scores. While the scoring was definatly much wider than the fight would indicate I do think that JMM was edging all the close rounds. You can't simply give a close round to MAB even if JMM edged it simply because you gave the last close round to JMM. Boxing is the one sport where a razor thin close fight can be scored identically to a blowout

 

Many don't know much about JMM, and in not knowing don't want to give him his proper due. He's fought 2 of the top 130lbers in the world at different times in his career, and has not lost to either which should alone state that the guy is very good! He was clearly avoided back then, and even now Pac doesn't seem to interested in fighting him again. His management and lack of good promoting is why he wasn't famous earlier.

 

Only one problem....he didn't beat MAB in decisive fashion and he didn't beat PAC at all....he was GIVEN the "W" by a incompetent judge who couldn't score a 3 KD round if his life depended on it. So when it's all said and done...PAC is crushing the 3 Great Mex Champs all by himself.

 

LOL...Ah hell no! Maybe with a 5th of Jack daniels could you be that blind. THe fight was a close fight but At best JMM got a draw....but I think he lost.

 

Pac isn't interested??? ****...JMM avoided a rematch with PAC like PAC was KILLER VIRUS! And JMM SHOULD have wanted to rematch PAC right away b/c he knew he was GIVEN the fight by a mistake.

JMM is smart though and knew that he wouldn't get so lucky a second time around....so he never took a remtach. I agree that JMM wasn't famous early b/c of his trainer and lack of good promoting though...but PAC never avoided JMM...JMM was avoiding PAC. That's a fact.