MAB v JMM: Who won?

The same can be said vise versa....You can't just give a close round to JMM just b/c you gave the last close round to MAB!

With that said.....the fight was CLOSE....close rounds given to JMM or MAB still would have indicated a back a forth battle if scored unbiasedly.

 

MAB won a close fight IMO he should have had an extra point too because dumbass Nady never scored the KD, and should he have been deducted the point for the punch? Fair enough he was late, but he stepped back and stopped for a few seconds and Nady didnt make the call.

 

I didn't say avoided, I said "doesn't seem to interested" A rematch isn't JMM fault it's his management, and we all know that Nacho can be spiteful regardless of his fighters interest, or best interest! I have no doubt that JMM would have fought PAC again immediately!!

It's not a fact:nono

 

Look,...despite HBO's bias commentating, and MAB being the bigger name JMM won the fight. He was more effective, landed the cleaner, harder shots adjusted, and was more consistant!

In the PAC fight JMM whooped ass after that 1st rd. He really schooled Pac and Pac had no ans. I had and alot of ppl still had JMM winning despite the 1st rd Kd's. JMM damn swept the next 11rds.

They will fight again, and it will decide who is the top fighter. I think JMM is the best of the bunch and he will prove it. As the fight gets closer I get closer to making MAB v. PAC II 50/50. Basically it's where I stand at the moment.

MAB, nor PAC holds wins over JMM!!!:nono Now that's a fact!!

 

I see reasoning has caught up to this poll......
The MAB fanaticals jumped out in a frenzy and gave MAB a sizeable lead very early in the poll.

Reason has now put JMM comfortable ahead in this poll.....

...... but you know what, it goes to show you how polls can be. The so called boxing fan is very finicky and very forgetful......
A similar poll was conducted right after JMM and MAB had fought and JMM won that poll by a landslide......

Now that MAB is about to face Pac, and the JMM-MAB fight has long past, the margin has gotten smaller.....

I'd imagine if somehow MAB were to beat Manny Pac in their rematch, a poll conducted then on who won the JMM-MAB fight would result in this forum voting for MAB by a landslide.

How people forget! A win for MAB over Pac will erase the memories of a JMM win over MAB. History will rewrite the JMM-MAB fight and all of a sudden it will be MAB should have won that fight over JMM!
One result now and a flock wants to change the reality of a past result! :nut

 

MAB was robbed I don't think I could say that enough!

:bart

 

The same could be said vice versa IF MAB had been edging those close rounds. In this case I think that JMM was edging those close rounds so I don't have a problem with the wide scoring even though it was not indicative of how close the fight was.

Here is my take on the KD scenario. JMM was decked by a legal shot. However MAB followed it up with an illegal blow prior to the count starting. Nady can not call a knockdown without starting a count (it's just not possible). Had he started the count and for some reason JMM was unable to beat it then he would have been allowing JMM to be counted out from an illegal blow.

I do still partially blame nady because he took way too long to step in and had he stepped in time the illegal blow would have never landed, that being said, JMM had dominated that round outside of the KD and I don't think that one flash KD would have been enough to get MAB a 10-8 round so we are talking about a 1 point swing in a fight that JMM won by 5 points on 2 judges cards and 9 points on the third so the KD was really not a factor in the fight.

 

LOL...JMM didn't WHOOP Pac after the 1st round...He boxed very effectively and PAC won some mid rounds as well...The fact that JMM continued and was able to show a champions heart and do more than just survived gave many of HIS FANS an obsured view of what really happened in that fight.

This is one of boxings most ridicoulous myths...that JMM Won every round after the 1st!:rofl I mean....JMM LOST! He was GIVEN the fight by one incompetent judge. Nuff said.

JMM did look like he landed the more telling blows, but NOT BY MUCH and the EFFECTS overall wouldn't support this comment. JMM looked like he was worse for wear. But overall I think MAB landed more and was more consistant with controlling range and pace. It was a good close fight that I think MAB pulled off with out much question, but again...it could have be a draw.

JMM is a good fighter but it was proven that if MAB can stay competitive and some even going on to say he BEAT JMM.....I'm comfortable saying that PAC will KO Juan this time round as well as MAB.

 

I agree that Nacho had a lot of say....but Nacho isn't JMM! JMM is a champion..he has his own mind and heart. His heart was NOT in to making an immediate rematch with PAC b/c if it was...there is NOTHING a trainer can do to stop a CHAMPION from doing what his heart tells him. He took the advice of Nacho but only b/c he didn't really want to fight PAC right away.

 

Looking worse for wear doesn't mean you got beat. JMM always looks rough after a fight and even in some dominant performances. It only takes a couple goods shots to damage a guys face like JMM's! Saying MAB controled the fight is just crazy. MAB never adjusted, while JMM did! Think MAB landed more is also obsurd. He had his moments, but the more telling cleaner, harder shots came from JMM no doubt about it!!

BTW...have you really seen the JMM V. PAC fight? JMM clearly won 90% of rds after rd 1. He had PAC looking like a bobble head at times. He controled it, was never hurt again, and the onle fighter to get in trouble was PAC. The fact that PAC KD JMM 3x's and wasn't able to keep that lead on atleast 2 of the scorecards let's you know that someone was getting dominated, and outboxed! If anything PAC and his fans should be embarrassed of that fact! It's nothing to write home about!!!

 

Not true at all. Nacho basically controled everything. He's been w/both Marquez's since they were kids, and that's all they know. They're totally dedicated, and committed to him. Being w/GBP has help JMM alot. He now has more influence, and the backing to help him get it done. Before then it was all NACHO! GBP won't have him fighting in Indonesia for pennies.

Do you really think that JMM wanted that?

 

I disagree...JMM did well but didn't do enough to beat MAB in my opinion. Again....it was a really close fight and I agree that you can't truly know who won a fight by their faces afterwards....but in some cases it does. This holds true in this case....IMO of course .

And yes...I have the JMM vs PAC fight on DVD. 90%?? Great statistic....But with statistics there has to be FACT behind them and 90% is not fact homeboy. JMM showed he was the superior BOXER by his preformance in that fight....BUT PAC is the better FIGHTER. Early on PAC was more one demensional and JMM was a VET who has seen all styles. He knew what to expect after round 1....but the funny thing was he still LOST Rounds after solving the PAC MAN puzzle...AND he lost the fight. Juan as I stated before was GIVEN the Draw which allowed him to hold on to his title. Not a way a champion wants to hold on to his titles.

Pac was never in any trouble with JMM...other than loosing rounds, but JMM lost rounds too...and JMM looked like a pretty DAMN ****ed up Bobble head thanks to PAC, so it's business that still needs to be taken care of at this point.

There is nothing wrong with loosing to JMM or PAC...PAC did loose more rounds than he won in that fight but the DOMINATION of the 1st round allowed him to carry the "W" out of that ring.

LOL....Why would PAC and his fans have anything to be embarrased about?? Sounds like you are reaching a bit for some extra validity to your comments. JMM is an OUTSTANDING boxer, a future HOFmer and Mex ATG. PAC gave hime HELL and won that fight...it was only the fact that one judge couldn't score a fight correclty that JMM got so lucky to keep his titles. That's a fact.

The only ONE person that should have been embarrased was Juan Manuel Marquez....He held on to his title after a BOGUS win that was clearly documented and released to the public. He had the chance to prove that he could have beaten PAC legitimatley time and time again but avoided the entire rematch with PAC like a ***** avoids church. Other than that...there is no embarrasment. That kind of action or lack there of is nothing to hang your hat on.

 

See...I disagree....I know Nacho was their manager and had his say in A LOT of their careers...BUT do you honestly think if Nacho said "JMM don't fight for a championship" that Juan would have said "OK"?? Hell No! JMM would have Man'd up and said this is MY dream, MY career and this is what is most important. While he respected Nacho and his advice/direction Juan was and still is his own man. I know he didn't want to fight Chris John for pennies but his other option was to fight PAC and he didn't want that...NACHO didn't either but JMM can't blame Nacho for everything.

 

Marquez won the fight by between 2 and 4 points clearly. Not making a case for Barrera getting a draw, and he certainly never won the fight.