MAB v JMM: Who won?

Well I respectfully disagree!

JMM clearly outboxed PAC from rd 1 on, and I had JMM winning the fight. You watch the fight again and tell how effective PAC was, and how effective JMM was. PAC's biggest moments came in the 1st rd. there was much more after that. Now embarassed is a strong word, but I know for sure if one of my fav's KD his opponent 3x's in the 1st rd and still ended up down on one card, and came up w/a draw I'd be shaking my head:-( Also I wouldn't call it luck that he kept his title. I'd call it will, determination, heart, and desire! He came off the canvas to keep his title, and it wasn't luck:nono It was a hell of a fight, and JMM and PAC both proved there worth, but I was still suprised that PAC couldn't finish the job! He couldn't finish because of the man in front of him!

Now as far as the avoiding thing. I think we'd go back in forth all day. I believe Nacho nixed the fight out of spite. It was a big mistake. I highly doubt that JMM didn't want a rematch, and I doubt that he would fight for 30k out of spite. He did excellent in that fight and could have emerged the winner. It wasn't a situation like PAC V. MAB. JMM was there, and he dominated at points totally outclassing PAC! Point is JMM nor Rafa are fighting anyone w/out Nacho there. I place the blame on Nacho. He's old and stubborn, and has his own ways!!

 

Pacman won the 1st and 2nd rounds, clearly. But apart from that he got a boxing lesson.

 

YOu know what..I will re-watch the fight...it was a good one and I'm interested how I will score the fight this time around. You make some good points but you know I can't agree with everything you said.

But you are right.....PAC wasn't able to finish the job and ALL credit needs to go to the man whom was across the ring with PAC that night. JMM is an OUTSTANDING boxer and he's a true champion. I just think PAC is the better FIGHTER overall....there are few that can match Juan's boxing skill-sets that's including MAB and EM. But I think PAC MAB AND EM have this fire that I never saw from JMM until he had to come off the canvas 3 times agianst PAC. So It's still questionable in my book.

Only way to settle this is a re-match. I'll try to check the fight out again over the weekend and offer my score card.

 

LOL...where the hell did DLH come from?:huh I think MAB is a truely great fight as is DLH. Who is better is debatable but I'm going with the Golden boy.

 

Pac fans hold on to the belief that JMM lost to Pac because he turned down a rematch with him.

Listen, both fighters deserved more than 100k more than what they originally got.
Nacho turned it down, because after the great fight they put up, he stalled and wanted to negotiate for more.
Nacho's opinion was that both Marquez and Pac deserved more than the 100k more than they were being offered.

The Pac fans chose to ignore this in order to make themselves feel better over the schooling exhibited by JMM after the knockdowns.
.....but the fact is that Bob Arum presented the 750k offer to JMM, expecting and hoping they would turn it down, so that then he could present an offer to Murad Muhamad that would look so much better in comparison to the JMM offer.

So thats what Bob Arum did. Arum being a business man, betrayed and used JMM and went to the Pac team and said, "listen, JMM does'nt want the fight, but I'll tell you what I'm going to do.....I'm going to give you the chance of a lifetime and offer you more money for a chance to fight a legend....Erik Morales!"
Its what Arum wanted all along. He wanted Morales in this mix because he had just lost to MAB in a close fight and wanted to re-establish his cash cow.
It was a sound business move on Bob Arum's part, but it meant kicking JMM to the curb and making him look like an ingrate who wanted too much money.

Its been established that Bob Arum is a convicted felon, slime of the earth, no better than Don King.
Why would boxing fans take that turds word over Nacho's is beyond me!:-(

 

Mab

 

MAB faded on the last couple of rounds and allow JMM to take this close match.

 

Marquez won the last three rounds against Barrera. Watch the 12 round, and you'll see Marquez lands much more effective punches. It's a round that looks pretty close on first viewing, but with closer inspection Marquez takes the round pretty convincingly.

 

I love how obsessed Oscar haters are with him. You can't participate in any discussion without bringing him up

 

that was inevitable, PAC and EM will fight sooner or later. but its really hard to believe your theory because how could Nacho turn that down when it could have been JMM's biggest check during that time? Both JMM and PAC were struggling for the limelight then and PAC would have accepted if not for the money but more on legacy. Unfortunately, PAC is thinking business nowadays. I dont blame him tho, now is the time to do business because now he's in the driver's seat and i really do think he deserves it.