MAB vs Hamed

I'm guessing you haven't noticed that my initial post shows no malice to Hamed whatsoever,and you haven't given a shred of evidence that Barrera ducked him.
All this talk of offers is only that,talk,and it's clear you want to use suppositions that are designed purely to make Hamed look good.It's a well known fact that the WBO tried to keep JMM away from Hamed for a while because they didn't want to risk him upsetting the applecart with one of their biggest names.

 

This fight has something in common with Ali-Frazier and Jones and his losses. It wasn't about the winner, it was about undermining the winner, largely. I know that's not true of everyone, but for most people who talk about it, it is, they always drop lines about Hamed being overrated or such, rather than talking about Barrera putting on a master class

PTF I know you're a fair objective poster. People wanted to fight Hamed for 1 reason only, big money. Marquez was offered short money, a career high payday but not money Marquez or his management were looking for. They probably should have took it. JMM also lost his Norwood fight in the interim, didn't have a fanbase and didn't have any big wins yet. He built a really underrated resume after Hamed was dethroned but not during that time

All 3 Mexicans were offered the date for the Sanchez fight, but MAB/Morales were coming off their war, JMM wanted more money.

The Barrera fight should have happened earlier but Junior Jones scuppered it. Junior Jones-Hamed probably would have happened if Jones wasn't KO'd by Mkkinney after dominating on the undercard

Yea WBO didn't force any mandatories but I don't think you can level any serious ducks at Hamed, not if you look at the division he faced. I mean W@rren probably thought Espinsosa was more trouble than he was worth. But other than that 126 was cleaned out bar Norwood, Marquez and Gainer pretty much.

The funny thing was his web page, talking about how he was going to smoke Barrera, Mayweather and Morales, all were predicted KOs within 6 rounds I believe He really did think he'd fight all the best fighters and knock them out

 

Good win, great performance, but there are other Barrera fights I enjoy watching more. Barrera was at his most watchable when he was throwing in combination. He did that sparingly here. Indeed, a very cautious approach considering the Mexican's usual standards.

And for those suggesting Hamed was a shadow of his former self, there's not one shred of evidence to suggest Hamed was a worse fighter in 2001 than he had been in 1997.

 

Hamed's fans make more excuses for his one loss against far and away the best fighter he ever fought. That's one reason his detractors(and there are countless more than fans) might "make a bigger deal about it than any loss in history".Many of Hamed's fans swear that he's one of the greatest featherweights ever despite NEVER beating anyone that might indicate that he was is another reason that his detractors make such a big deal about his one loss. Hamed was a classless **** in and out of the ring when dealing with his opponents. That's yet another reason why his detractors are so vocal. And if Hamed couldn't take easily the best fighter he ever fought seriously and felt just his power would get him the win as you claim(another excuse, surprise, surprise), who's the moron then?

 

Barrera won by 3 points on two judges cards.

(To whomever responds: Wah!)

 

You're also using the excuse for losing to Barrera that Hamed's training consisted of watching MAB get handled by Junior Jones? Once again, who's the moron then?

 

After watching it, do you honestly believe it was that close(Wah!)? Seriously? I remember having it at least 9-3 with 8 going convincingly for Barerra, 1 close for MAB, 2 close for Hamed and one maybe going either way even though Barrera was obviously technically superior. That's at least 116-111(maybe 117-110 as I haven't seen it in awhile) minus the point deducted. MAB knew he was so far up that he took it upon himself to smash Hamed's head into the ring corner.

 

115-112 is as close as you can score it. It's still a fair card; Barrera gave away a point to further demonstrate to Hamed that he in fact was his daddy. He clearly thought it was worth.

A 3 point win with an intentional point deduction against you is plenty dominant.

 

Did Hamed really claim that on his web page? Because when Mayweather offered Hamed a 128 pound catchweight fight, Hamed declined and replied,"How many times do you want me to move up?"

 

It just looked so easy.

 

btw i'm no Hamed fan, but i thought it pretty easy to see he had declined by the time of the Barrera fight.

His waning dedication to the sport had been discussed for a few years by then and similarly he looked a much softer fighter physically than he did in his early feather days.Not to mention slower and becoming even more one-dimensional and reliant on single powershots.

I'd still favour Barrera to beat any version if he fought that way, but i don't really see it as unreasonable when it gets claimed he was past his best.

I don't agree with some of the opinions you hear on him from time to time that he was somehow a far more versatile fighter earlier in his career and ruined by leaving ingle etc.

he was much the same, always with the same flaws, just quicker, sharper and more active.

Hamed is the kind of small minded fighter that could have been doing with a Barrera-esque loss earlier in his career before he became a national star in Britain(and no doubt already a great fighter in his own mind) better chance that could have toughened him up and improved him mentally rather than get beat when he was a total egomaniac and champ for years, thus totally crushing his fragile ego.

 

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that card. It's stupid to write off Hamed's career because he lost a fight near the end. He would've been live in a rematch and even more live if the fight were two years earlier.

 

I know you.