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Mafia involvement in Boxing

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by la-califa, Oct 31, 2008.



  1. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In the early days of Boxing there was heavy Mafia involvement in the sport. Which fighters were hurt most or benifited the most from this?
     
  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1930's -1940's

    Fighters who benefitted - Galento, Simon, Carnera, Nova, etc.

    Fighters who didn't - Elmer Ray, Turkey Thompson, Lee Q Murray, Lem Franklin, Jimmy Bivens....


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  3. mcvey

    mcvey Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Primo Carnera
    Gus Dorazio
    Tony Galento
    Ike Williams
    Jimmy Carter
    Don Jordan
    Billy Fox
    Bud Gorman
    Babe Risko
    Beau Jack
    Virgil Akins
    Johnny Saxton
    Kid Gavilan
    Carmen Basilio
    Joe Brown
    Sonny Liston
     
  4. Chinxkid

    Chinxkid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Graziano did well. LaMotta and Robinson were hurt.
     
  5. round15

    round15 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sonny Liston, nuff said
     
  6. Chinxkid

    Chinxkid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ain't that the truth.
     
  7. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Didnt Carmen Basilio have to fight the mob???
     
  8. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not sure Robinson was hurt, I mean the guy won the world Welter title in his early 20's or so. He was not being held back or anything.
     
  9. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not sure Robinson was hurt, I mean the guy won the world Welter title in his early 20's or so. He was not being held back or anything.
     
  10. Chinxkid

    Chinxkid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Took him a while to get the MW shot.

    I mean what's the real answer to this question? In the years just after WWII all upper rung fighters were effected by this. If you weren't so great, like Graziano, yeah you got more than your share early on, but I don't think it's unsafe to assume that affable Rocky didn't pay some heavy dues for that. If you were a better fighter than him, as I do believe a lot of his contemporaries were, and had too much pride to boot, you were held back. The only fighters that weren't effected were the ones that weren't in that league in the first place, especially on the East Coast. I knew a fighter who was offered 50k to go in the tank with Graziano and turned it down. This was in the late 40's. Fifty grand in the late 40's! That was a helluva lot of money then, at a time when you could buy one or two or three pretty nice houses for that much. What? Like a million or more today?
     
  11. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Took him a while because he was busy cleaning out the welterweights, also I belive Jake was in no rush in fighting Robinson, It was not the mob that held Robinson back.
     
  12. Chinxkid

    Chinxkid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That's not the way I remember hearing it, but I could be wrong. Maybe someone will ring in and break the tie. Also, Jake by that time was involved with the boys, right? So his not being in any hurry could have been partly due to orders from above.
     
  13. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Muhamad Ali not only had the black muslims, he was very heavily hooked into Angelo's brother Chris Dundee who had strong links to Santo Traficante in Florida and Carlos Marcella in New Orleans. That may be the reason Sonny took 10 + Sonny had to know because he was close to Carbo and the Dundee's did the right thing with the Boys....Funny you never hear this but most inside guys know this
     
  14. mcvey

    mcvey Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Robinson refused to dive in a fight ,and took a European tour instead,he carried a few fighters,to ensure certain folks got bets paid.
     
  15. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Did Louis' Manager have connections? Is that how Louis got his shot? or from public pressure? What about Marciano? Was there ever Mafia pressure put on him?