Fair enough, but Charles and Marciano were two of the top three heavyweights in the world, and I believe that Layne actually gave a rather strong performance in the first Charles fight before fading late and being knocked out.
I haven't seen the Mathews /Murphy fight ,have seen the Maxim Murphy one the story of which is left jab ,left jab,result big lumps around the eyes.I will take your word for the probable outcome as you have seen both fights ,though I think Maxim is a little underated ,due to his less than fan friendly style ,and lack of power ,in which Mathews surely had and edge. The chin goes to Maxim ,however .
Wow, really? I have never heard this before. Anyone else here heard about this before? Not that I'm doubtin you or anything Bummy just curious if anyone else has heard/can elaborate on this.
I am not saying it in a negative way. The Dundee's had a lot of conections and that was the way you did business back then and now but the connections are different today
This is true. Chris Dundee was actually given the IBC promotional franchise down in Miami, and the IBC and Madison Sq Garden was controlled by Frank Carbo and the New York mob. The Dundees were part of the "monopoly" in boxing that the anti-racketeer campaigners were trying to break.
This article covers Don King and his links to the mob : [url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1140332/index.htm[/url]
i watched d movie about it and d mere existance of this movie convinces me more that he was 1 of d benefitors than 1 of d victims .
My understanding of it is that Carmen himself did not deal with the mob and hated them. But in order for Carmen to get the bigger fights his management needed to pay the mob some money behind the scenes. I don't think any of his fights were fixed.
Sonny Liston dived due to Nation of Islam pressure, not mob. Ali was on fast track cause he was Olympic Gold medal winner, and immediately a hit with media, not due to any connections Dundee had.
