Malignaggi raises interesting question about Wilder’s power

i get that youre not very smart, so you arent really aware of how little you actually know, but you dont appear mentally handicapped, so im sure youve realized that you are arguing against people who can see how little you know. now its a matter of how insecure you are if this debate is going to move forward, or if it will end as a testament to your ignorance and inability to overcome your insecurity to admit that you understand what everyone but you is talking about.

 

Donkeytron is clearly onto something here and as per usual has enlightened us all once again. It's like the karate chop -- to pretty much all people the globe over one of the most devastating acts of violence ever witnessed, yet little did any of us besides donkeytron actually know that screaming the phrase "hi-ya!!!" before weilding such a menacing weapon actually increases the power, velocity, and destruction of the move ten fold.

How could we miss such obvious **** so often?

 

That is absolutely idiotic, do you think muscular force is counteracting that negligible force of gravity? You obviously don’t know anything about physics.

 

Lol, the stupid person is calling everyone else stupid and doesn’t realise he’s stupid.

 

you are arguing physics with someone who is into transformers and doesn't know the difference between you're and your.

 

Just drop the punch down, jump in the air, go slack and let gravity go to work boi

 

The guy you’re quoting seems to be an idiot in general, but what he said there was correct. Meanwhile you think gravity is a major contributor to punching power. This could be one of those threads that is a time enduring monument to the stupidity of a particular person. That person is you, in case you couldn’t figure that out.

 

No waiiaiaiaiat a minute there, maybe he is on to something!

If so, we must consider that the fighter who is closer to an air conditiong vent or heating system for more of the fight has an *unfair advantage* in the (seemingly imperceptible but very real) homeopathically windy forces that counteract gravity, therefor give the man propelled forward in an incalculably small way a nearly insuormountable advantage!!

But the guy closer to the overhead lights has to contend with more heat from the overhead lights!
That would balance things out in favor of the shorter man...
Especially since you must consider that if his snout is a couple inches or even milimeters closer to heaven...He is getting less oxygen!

Lessee...We gotta consider who is closer to the fiendishly cooling drafts from open doors too.
Also whoever spends more time further from ring center is more deafened by the crowds roar!
And how does the color of your trunks effect such facors as wind resistance, sweat absorption & glare from the cameras?

Man this is more diificult that you would think!
We need to reincarnate Stephen Hawking & force him to work on this impossibly complex & meaningless conundrum!

 

All real boxers know that weight shifting enhances power through core rotation . Now when you combine that with a downward punch angle the power transference is incredible . A perfect example is Golovkin vs Rubio

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Now a little known fact is that Golovkin was on his tip toes as he threw that punch and he secretly practices ballet to strengthen his toes . Some boxers have taken this even further by boxing in heels to establish muscle memory and to perfect technique , example here https://postimg.cc/3kSHsXqm

Also in the rule book it clearly states " That no footwear with a heel greater than 3/4" in height may be worn "

It's all about getting an edge and yep punching down is better than punching up Oscar proved it in his training photo

 

Lol at all this talk of gravity, gravity only exerts 9.8 newtons of force. A light middleweight exerts about 700 newtons of force just standing there doing nothing. A punch will likely produce 2000-3000 newtons of force so can't see 9.8 newtons making a huge difference and even if gravity exerted a greater force power is more than just force, speed is a factor.

Though I personally have always found punching up awkward. I think it's much more to do with the mechanics of punching up and the physiology needed to punch upwards being different than punching down. For example everyone flat benches much more than they over head press, though clearly Wilder won't be punching straight up so even then I think it won't effect his power much if at all.

 

You'll have a hard time convincing folks of this argument. You are working 2 or 3 branches out from the trunk of the tree and most boxing fans are looking at the trunk and maybe as far as the first branch.

I tried pointing this out decades ago regarding Tyson and the arc of his punches. They lost effectiveness when he had to punch up at the tall guys like Tucker and Smith. The fighters 2" shorter were right at the end of his power range, and they'd go. But nobody listened then & I don't think too many will listen now. But the results tended to be altogether different for tall guys as opposed to the shorter heavies.

The real irony is that power shots are just not held to the standard jabs are. Most folks acknowledge the different types of jabs and their effect. And the distance factor of landing at say 80 or 90% extension compared to the flicking type that barely touches the opponent. So, in my opinion anyway, far more fans can and do diagnose jabs. But not power shots.

Like yourself, I agree the arc of punches is huge. What can also then come into play is defense. The guys accustomed to having that nice big size advantage have a way of not looking so good when things are on even terms. Let alone a disadvantage. That's also when things like balance/legs/mobility/upper body movement can come into play. And now it's a weakness, not an advantage.

 

The bench analogy doesn’t work, a push press is more relevant to the punching mechanics, the alternative would be the bench throw. So the push press would be a far greater load.

 

The arc has zero to do with gravity, that’s the issue here. Torque, impulse and relative biomechanical advantages at different segments is what makes the difference, not the damn negligible impact of gravity.

 

Paulie’s right, it is harder to punch up and less power is s produced, all the technicalities aside, I don’t think someone is dumb enough to go all in, hips, body weight etc into a punch upwards because of the award position of your arm with all that momentum behind it and not enough muscle to soften impact force.

 

I'm going to go out on a limb and say punching "up" two WHOLE inches won't change the course of the fight. Here he is against a 6'7" opponent.

That right hand would've taken out a 7 footer.

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