Man heavyweights have gotten big

Get him in a straitjacket! :nut

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Moronic Klit-ite, your precious Vitali would be damn lucky to survive a '90-'92 Old George, let alone the '72-'74 monster who would sadistically sodomize him within 5 rounds.

 

i agree that prime foreman would ktfo k bros,but kalasinn,what do you think about foreman-lewis match-up?i honestly can't see how could lewis win against prime george

 

Byrd weighed in a 210 pounds or thereabouts. Assuming that was what he actually weighed and not the result of some trickery (and we can never be sure), he's a genuine heavyweight.

On the other hand, even genuine lighjt-heavies might weigh close to 200 pounds at fight time.

I think a 200 pound man can beat a good 250 pounder, yes. It happens.

 

I'm still thinking about it.
I highly doubt Lewis would refuse the invite for a slugfest, so talk of him outboxing George isn't particularity relevant.

Lewis did absorb some good punches from Briggs & Mercer, I think fundamentally his chin was vulnerable to big punches that he didn't see coming, not merely big punches.
Can the slower Foreman catch him with something he doesn't see, before he braces himself for impact?

Foreman increases his chance of success if he works the body with his bombs of blunt force trauma, so that Lewis will tire earlier than himself.
Whereas Lewis should walk backwards & throw power straights, ramrod jabs & overhands, since throwing wide hooks is risky against George, who would trade them back.

 

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Oh yeah.....In all sports !!!

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ali tried to box george at distance,it didn't work.i'm sure lewis can't do it.
in a slugfest it's not even close imo.foreman def has a better chin and he's a better slugger than lewis.i think george takes him out in five.
lewis was knocked out twice with a single punch,and briggs staggered him badly in the first with a powerful jab.i think all it takes is one big punch from george.and george can take punishment in return to get that big shot

 

It happens far less often than the reverse.

There is a reason for weight classes, people. Size makes a difference, a big damn difference.

I find the situation of heavyweights somewhat analogous to the line men in American football. Looking back to rosters in the 60's and 70's, the linebackers and running backs were more or less the same size as they are today with a few exceptions in either era. However, the linemen have made a drastic increase in size. And yes, they look blubbery as hell today but no one seems willing to go back to 265 pound right tackles. There is a reason for this.

 

O Rly??
I think you give Foreman way too much credit.
We're talking about a guy who got decisioned by Tommy ****in' Morrison.
What now?...is TOmmy Morrison all around better then the Klits?
I don't see how a tactical brilliant 6ft.7 250lbs giant with granite chin and imense workrate for his size would end with nothing but another KO win in his record.
It would be a Briggs'esque type of fight with fat and slow ass Foreman ending up with his face smashed in.

And that mythical monster that prime Foreman you describe to be, was a big, slow,with terrible stamina and clumsy, guy who could punch.
Nothing more, nothing less.:bart

 

It´s called "beeing lazy".

 

So the mega-talented, motivated, super athletes out there just aren't interested in making millions, leaving the spoils to the lazy slobs who just happen to show up to the gym/football field?

 

I know nothing about that sport so I can't comment.

The thing about heavyweight boxing, the truth is most of the top 10 contenders are about exactly the same dimensions and weight in-shape as heavyweights were 20, 30, 40 years ago.
6'2 and 220 Is still the size, and some in the top 10 have come up from sub-175 and sub-200.
And the smaller ones beat rated big ones quite frequently.

It's only Lewis and the Klitschko brothers who happen to dominate but 3 fighters isn't enough to say that the heavyweights will only ever be dominated by men who are 6'5 + and at least 240 pounds.
It's not like every contender is that size.

I don't think being blubbery helps anyone.

 

I don't know about football, I would like to think they know what they are doing, and that bulk is the wise thing to do. As you say, it's only certain positions who've grown huge.

But I can't fool myself into defending the boxers who have certainly chosen the "bigger is better" route because it equates to eating more. And many seem to have the attitude that they will receive millions whether they reach their potential physical peak or not.
Let's not encourage them. Hasim Rahman, James Toney, Sam Peter, Danny Williams .... we know these guys are gluttons.

 

They get millions anyway, don´t they?

 

Football's an interesting case study- 50 years ago, when steroids were introduced to the league, there weren't any 300 pound players (amphetamines were the performance enhancer of choice). Now there's over 500 300+ pound players professionally and there's enough for every college roster to have them. Steroids and PED's were the massive driver in this. Once trainers, coaches, and players found that they could then increase the size of their roster while simultaneously increasing their performance, their use spread like wildfire. The average size of linemen has been increasing ever since, and the use of PED's in football has spread to all positions from being primarily linemen based in the beginning.

Another factor which allows bigger and bigger players: the length of the game in real time. Given how long it takes a 60 minute game now (at least 3 hours) because all of the stoppages and breaks, players can afford to add the bulk since stamina is so much less important. It's the equivalent of boxing dropping down to 10 round fights with 6 minute breaks between each round. Guys can sell out for maximum size and short-term speed because of that. We've already seen that happen in boxing with the same 1 minute breaks simply because of fights being shortened down from 40, to 20, to 15, and now 12 rounds. The shorter the fight, the more one can sell out for maximum size, short-term speed, and bulk.