Man I kept hearing how Tua would destroy Marciano, Tyson, Frazier, Dempsey....

Bottom line is Rocky Marciano was a 185 pound fighter, who was a bruiser. He took a punch to land a punch, he relied on workrate and breaking oponents down. Mike Tyson was by far more skillfull technically.

If Mike Tyson and David Tua connect with anything weighing 185pounds......its dead..!

 

I disagree with that. Marciano had a more diverse skillset than Tyson.............Tua doesn't belong in the same conversation with Tyson. Tua was built like Tyson, well other than the fact than Tyson was ripped up in his prime and Tua was a fat ****er 95% of the time. Tua is hugely overrated. Didn't display the heart (I reference the Lewis fight) to be compared to ATG's.

 

Wlad would surgically remove Tua's head now...it's all pointless, Tua's just shot now, that's all..happens to all fighters eventually, but usually sooner for a short, squat, heavy handed slugger type. The hour glasses' sand just ran out, that's all.

 

Tua didn't have enough wars to be considered over the hill.
Foreman dominated Briggs at almost 49. Of course everyone knows George was robbed that night.

 

Tyson was scarred of Foreman.

He told Don King, "If you love him so then you fight the animal."

 

Rocky Marciano was a buiser mate..! he was always getting beat up inside of the ring. Mike Tyson in his prime, was a educated pressure fighter/counter puncher. Not only did Mike Tyson hit harder than Rocky Marciano, not only did he have a more vast array of punches..............

Mike Tyson's defence was by far, by far..!!!! superior to Rocky Marciano's. Fair enough Rocky Marciano had great determination and decent skills, but Mike Tyson was by far technically superior.

And if Mike Tyson connected with a 185pound Rocky Marciano.......He's dead.

Show me any video where Rocky Marciano shows the defensive skills of Mike Tyson, or even the offensive skills..!!!!!!!!!! You won't find that video, because Mike Tyson was technically superior.

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I appreciate your response, I just happen to disagree. I know there's a video floating around detailing Marciano's technical abillity. I don't disagree with you on Marciano - Tyson. I'd pick Tyson. I just don't agree that Tyson is better technically. Marciano had many more subtle skills than Tyson. Tyson, in his prime, was just brutally effective with the things he did do. Tua is no Tyson, IMO. It's almost like comparing Marvis to Joe Frazier. Styles and build is where the similarities end.

 

I don't give a **** weather you appreciate my response, don't try and sweeten me up.

Rocky Marciano took punches for a laugh....he was a buiser, he did not have the combination punching ability of Mike Tyson, He did not have the defensive skills of Mike Tyson etheir.

Show me the footage where Rocky Marciano shows, the defensive skills and offensive skill to challange what i say. Rocky Marciano was flat footed, and slow mate...........he has loads of determination and great stamina, but he was not a technically great fighter.

Larry Holmes would make him look like a ******. He was a great fighter in his era, but put him up against Mike Tyson and Co...............he's a dead man.

So show me the footage, which backs up what you are saying. Show me the footage, where Rocky Marciano is being more technically superior to Mike Tyson.

Come on smart ass.......here's some of Mike Tyson's defensive skills.

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While I agree with your overall conclusion that Tyson was better technicaly than Marciano, I still think you are selling Marciano verry far short from a technical standpoint. He had some neat moves.

One thing that is not apparent at first glance, is that he never presented a stationary target. Whatever he did he was always in fluid motion. This was commented on by no lesser person than Tommy Loughran. A closer look also shows some rather creative use of feints. He moves forward feinting constantly with his hands and feet. It is interesting how many of his oponents commented on this.

 

Tyson during his championship reign would have far better punch stat percentages defensively/offensively over Marciano

 

OK, **** tryin to sweeten you up. I just don't like getting in to battles. It's just not that important in the overall scheme of things. You've kind of shifted the focus because the initial conversation was the merits of the most overrated mother****er in boxing history, David Tua. I guess you're getting the sense that that guy's ATG merits are a lost cause.
As for this video, are you ****ing serious? Yeah, it's impressive, but let's be honest here, it's not exactly a who's who in Heavyweight history. The best opponent in that video is Frank Bruno. Most of this video is Tyson ****ing with guys a level or two (at least) below him. There's the Tillis, Ratliff, Biggs, and a slew of early career setups. Is the white guy McNeeley? Man that's impressive. I'll grant you that Tyson put on an ATG all-time clinic in dirty infighting against Biggs. I contend that Tyson entered into his prime in '86. Let's face it, he was able to pull these moves against lesser opponents on his way up, but really only showed this technique against top level opponents for about 2 years. Anyway, I didn't even come on this thread to tear Tyson down. My beef was about Tua being an overrated joke. You shifted it to Tyson. Seriously, the best opponent in this video is Frank ****ing Bruno. Don't embarrass yourself. For every sweet move by Tyson against McNeeley, Ratliff, Biggs, and James ****ing Tillis, there's plenty of video of Marciano executing against Walcott, Moore, Charles, and Louis. Of course, you're partial to David Tua, so maybe Peter Mcneeley appeals to you too.

 

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I'm not trying to make Marciano out to be Willie Pep, but the level of competition in this video is an extreme ste-up. I'm not trying to tear Tyson down either, but most of the opponents in that video were exactly that, opponents.

 

People don't need to look for specific instances to prove Tyson's defense