Man I kept hearing how Tua would destroy Marciano, Tyson, Frazier, Dempsey....

You can make highlight videos "proving" just about anyone had an iron chin or was extremely skilled defensively.

 

To be honest, I think it's comparing apples to oranges.

Tyson was pretty fundamental in his defensive ways and technique. Fabulous to watch and extraordinary in execution - D'Amato's ultimate machine though he never got to see his finest protege reach his peak.

But Marciano was something else. He applied many of said techniques, but in an unorthodox, sometimes downright weird way. He looked easy to hit, but wasn't. He could throw an amateurish haymaker, and then proceed to perfectly slip two consecutive jabs. I believe it's exactly this unpredictability that made him so hard to beat. Or even to survive against. Even when his attack seems straight-forward, no two rushes are the same and because of this, he was so damn efficient in consistently landing his hammer-like fists and achieving all-time high numbers of stopping his opponents.

 

Great point.

I think Marciano was technical in ways, but it's was truly his awkwardness and almost unpredictable nature that made him deceptively better than what he looks like on film. The way Charles said he feinted with his hands and feet, those were orthodoxies that most don't recognize. He could look very crude and wild at times, like you said and then slip a jab. I think his defense and style of fighting low in the crouch was great for his physical attributes. Tyson was perfect for the peeka-boo style. Fighters like LaMotta and Marciano aren't going to be better off fighting in this manner. I think Marciano defensively did a good job of keeping his hands up, blocking punches, and rolling punches and using that left shoulder to keep his chin tucked down. Nothing magical, but effective.

 

Good post.

 

Respond to the Chris Byrd comment or shut the **** up. Did Byrd add 30 lbs to his chin? No, he was a 170 lb fighter with some bulk that took Tua's shots flush. Same can be said for Holyfiled and Tillus against Tyson.

 

What did Chris Bryd weigh in at against David Tua..? where did he spend 99.9% of his career..? yes at Heavyweight.

Chris Bryd was a heavyweight, you stupid ****ing ****.

Chris Bryd had to run like a maniac, and was only eating twice a day, ****ing his own body up. When he went back down to 170 near the end of his career, and he looked weak as ****........and it showed.

"Because he was'nt a 170pound fighter"

I wonder how much Chris Bryd weighs now..??? just shut up dick head.

If David Tua lands on Rocky Marciano, he is dead man. Rocky Marciano was a brusier he took punchers for a laugh, Mike Tyson would end him inside 1 round, and David Tua would do the same...............................i'm just being real ****ing real guys.

And Larry Holmes, would make him look like a complete ******.

Nobody here has shown me any evidence, that Rocky Marciano is technically superiror to Mike Tyson. Thats what some of you classic bum boys are trying to tell me....

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Go ahead, classic smart asses.

I want someone, in the next 10mins to show me the footage that Rocky Marciano was technically superior to Mike Tyson. And don't come at me with this bull**** that, anybody can post footage of a fighter and claim this and that............seeing is beleaving, yehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

If you guys want to bang on all the time about the old school fighters, and how most of them weigh 180+ pounds would knock out heavyweights like David Tua, ****ing prove it to me.

Go right ahead, why are you guys acting shy, with your 20,000 posts.

 

Uh, that's exactly what Primadonna just did. Trouble was, he pulled out some **** of Tyson working on his technique against Ratliff, McNeeley and every ESPN setup he ever fought. He may as well shown some heavybag footage too. Like I said, my beef isn't even with Tyson's merits. Tua is a ****ing joke. Tua had his shot against an ATG and he clammed up like a *****. End of discussion on Tua.
Yeah Tyson was pretty good defensively. But let's not get carried away. It's not like he was Locche, or even Jimmy Young. Tyson was ridiculously fast for a heavyweight. Amazingly powerful, and ruthless (until someone was able to stand up to his onslaught). Tyson committed defensive faults (squaring up too much and having his feet together often) in order to enhance his offense, specifically to work both sides of the body with hooks effortlessly. He showed great head movement AT TIMES. It wasn't something he always carried throughout a fight and he certainly didn't carry it throughout his career. Let's not get carried away about his defensive and technical abillities. Good, I'd stop short of great.
For the record, I think a prime Tyson would be too much for Marciano. Tua? I don't see him beating someone with Marciano's heart. Tua was a homeless man's Tyson.

 

and that is what will be written on his tombstone

 

marciano wasn't hard to hit but he could be hard to hit CLEANLY. by the time he won the title, he was adept at slipping and shifting and while ready to go to war, could avoid heavy damage so that he could land suzie q.

and come on, whatever the weight he was a top 10 hardest hitting heavyweight. but he was slow and while tyson would take marciano, i can't say tua would. in fact, i would bet what little i have in this world (including my micky ward signed boxing glove) that marciano would school him

 

I was ringside and I gave Monte 4 rds.I thought Tua won the fight.Monte should have been worned then penalized for his excessive holding in my oppinion.There were 3 times when Monte walked rubber legged back to his corner.I thing everyones on Montes bandwagen because Tua didnt get the KO everyone expected.
What I didnt like though was that Tua looked in good shape at the weightin but by fight time it looked like he gained 15 lbs. or more.I'd like to see Ronnie Schields or someone else back in his corner.

 

10 years ago a trainer could make a difference but now...tua got knocked down by barrett. that fork in tua is telling me something, he's done

 

Yeh that's right don't try and sweeten me up you *****, what do you want a friend request..? Don't be reporting my post you shitbag.

This is not a battle, because Rocky Marciano was not technically superior to Mike Tyson. Rocky Marciano was flat footed and a busier, he took punches for a laugh. Against Walcott he got the **** beat out of him, he was getting ****ing schooled by a old man.

Mike Tyson out boxed big guys at the height of his career, well schooled big guys like Tony Tucker, Tryell Biggs was a Olympic Champion.

And your trying to downsize the fact that Mike Tyson, systematically beat him down, side lined molestation........are you crazy.

And shut the **** up about Dirty fighting, this is the professional boxing. I looked at a Rocky Marciano highlight the other day, and he looks like he is fighting drunk sometimes. Seriously I'm not trying to be funny, this is the classic forum not the lounge.
Wide and slow swinging punches, seeing is beleaving my friend, that's why you stupid ****ing twat, every single boxing trainer around the world has eye's and they can see.

And anybody with eye's and who can see. Can see that Rocky Marciano was not as technically skilled as Mike Tyson. Show me the footage, show me the footage. Attempt to show me the footage of Rocky Marciano throwing better combinations and showing better defensive skills than Mike Tyson, and then i will response with my footage.

And i will laugh aswell..

David Tua still kills Rocky Marciano...

Rocky Marciano was slow, Carl Froch type slowness.

 

Your response lacks intelligence. Borderline illiterate. But I'll stop short of giving you an English lesson. I'm sure your 3rd grade teacher was the last to attempt that. As for what I could deduce from your comments. He outboxed Tony Tucker? Are you serious? Did you actually watch the fight? It was a terrible fight. Not one of Tyson's better efforts. Tyrell Biggs? I'll quote you "This is pro boxing". What did Biggs ever do in the pros?
I love you guys that want to talk tough over the internet. I'm done with you simpleton. I showed you footage and explained Tyson's shortcomings (translation: why he wasn't as great technically as you say he was). You have no intelligent comeback for that. You don't want to talk technique because you're ****ing clueless. Seriously, Tyson - Tucker was a technical masterpiece? You've never seen that fight have you? C'mon, it's OK, admit it. I'll cut you some slack. Admit it or go away and go play with something shiny.