Mando Ramos... IBHOF?

Yes, Mando Ramos deserves the HOF. Much better fighter than the unbelievably overrated Ray Mancini, and just as exciting.

 

Mando played too much outside of the ring but his career was no joke. The list of wins and losses in the OP is a stellar collection of quality boxers and it doesn't even include his 2-1 record against the rugged world champion Pedro Carrasco. The Spaniard finished his career with a 105-3-2 record with two f the losses coming against Ramos

If we are playing the "He's better than this Hall of Famer." game then, yes, Ramos definitely is better than more than a handful of Hall of Famers and should be in. If we are going strictly on his "should he be a Hall of Famer" qualities he is borderline. For me, he is on the right side of the border. Put Ramos in the Hall!

P.S. Nice to see a mention of Frankie Crawford in the original post. He was a good fighter but isn't mentioned much these days, even in the classic forum

 

Imagine Mando with the discipline of a Hopkins. Even with all the self sabotage he still had a fine career.

 

That is so true. I was 12 years old and living in southern California when he became a world champ. It didn't take long before I started reading about his lifestyle. The man really could have had a great career.

 

Ugh, I always think of that ****ed up scene in American Me when they are talking about Mando Ramos.

 

Carrasco himself has an eye opening record and you could argue he belongs in.

Too bad Carrasco never got to prove himself in an unification with Roberto Duran. Its actually too bad he was in the same era as Duran because he would have lost to Roberto.

 

If he had beaten Duran, Duran....

His resume is not eye popping and he only beat Mando Ramos by a questionable disqualification. But his record is.

 

Imagine just about anybody with the dedication of Hopkins.

He was uncommon in his devotion to preparation and discipline. One of the few who probably never cut a corner nor gave himself an excuse. If you beat him, you were going to beat the best version of him.

 

For sure, but we don't need to go as far as Hopkins level. I could have easily mentioned someone with just decent or average dedication and it would have been an immense improvement. Without the drug and alcohol abuse alone he would have been so much better off. He's a top shelf example of not fulfilling his abilities due to substance abuse. As it was he was still a very good fighter who achieved a reasonable amount.