Manila Frazier vrs. '75 Foreman

I figure if CCCCLeveland's shots get little attention from Sonny, then George's wdearmed shot, if they landed, Sonny might go inside of them and end it FAST, would not bother Sonny much. Liston thrived in violent ancounters in his life and could stand toe to toe with anyone in a punchout I believe.

 

Wasn't Frazier so much past it and uninterested by 1973? That's what all the Frazier fanatics suggest. I don't see how Frazier could be better in 1975 than in 1973 unless his training was on another level. And if I'm to be frank, his vigor and fuel came from the hate of Ali. Without that I think we wouldn't have seen a last defining fight from Frazier. Supposedly, from his doctors that his blood-pressure and cataracts and body was just beginning to slowly break down. I think he was in much better health and physical capable in 1973. Maybe not at his mental high.

Honestly, no version of Frazier beats Foreman unless it's a really old Foreman versus a really young Frazier... and even then.

 

You must love me or something. Even in posts that don't involve me you can't refrain from opening your mouth about me. I can have that effect on some people I guess.

 

Are you saying you think the post retirement Foreman defeats a prime Frazier ?

 

It's true. Foreman upset Frazier's stomach I think through some form of rare big powerful man irritability syndrome, which caused a dizziness to Frazier that depleted his strength and weakened his chin by 27%. It's all scientifically verified if you look up the syndrome. This is WHY Frazier said the biggest mistake he made was signing that contract. He knew about it, he felt it!

Reversibly, Ali gave Frazier a great rare power. A racially mocked irate adrenaline syndrome was cast whenever Frazier was in Ali's presence, and this was especially uplifted when Ali would talk a lot to mock Frazier. This was a serious boost to Frazier's effort in both his training performance and fight performance. It gave Frazier 19% more accuracy, a 13% increase in chin. It gave Frazier a 11% increase in power and gave him a 9% increase in foot-speed. It even improved his right hand at a rate of 37% which can explain Frazier's incredible use of the right hand in Manila. Most importantly, besides any factually backed scientific fact there was the 93% energy boost which transcended energy and power to Frazier's heart. It's a incredibly rare syndrome. This vigor and power is very similar to the adrenaline a mother receives to be able to lift up a car to save her children (Except in even longer spurt). They say there may be only 1 person on earth for every human that can inflict these sort of effects. Ironically, or perhaps coincidentally, the BMPI (Big man powerful irritability) syndrome is said to caused inflicted temporarily by only 1 person on Earth. In insanely rare circumstances, the person that causes BMPI (Big man powerful irritability syndrome) can be the same person that causes RMIA (Racially mocked irate adrenaline syndrome), in which cause that person experiences a bi-polar manic depressive like episode for two weeks. Sometimes, miraculously the symptoms dissipate. Other times, and unfortunately in atypical cases the person combusts into thin air. How Frazier ever got through the Champions Forever documentary where both Foreman and Ali were in the room together is a mystery and miracle to me. It could be said that Frazier got drunk which may have eased the symptoms... or perhaps the effects made him resort to drinking. Similar to the substance abuse dealt with bipolar patients. Luckily Frazier didn't blow-up. We're thankful for dodging a potentially tragic incidence.

We have to look at the science. It's all there. This is how we can explain the shot Frazier (1973 Jamica) to unshot Frazier that would've taken Foreman's head off. In Manila, that Frazier would've done damage to George.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

I believe i clearly stated I can't stand that "One" opinion. I wasn't talking about all opinions. But you decided to do selective reading didn't you? Let me guess, you weren't captain of the harvard debate team were you?


You call yourself a historian/filmmaker?

 

CLASSIC. So because I never got hit by Lyle, I'm wrong. And by the way, Leotis Martin! Okay, then since Ali lost to Berbick who was just a rough not hard hitter, I guess Cobb should beat him. Your thinking is rediculous. Everything you said about forman in the beginning of your tome is wrong. How old are you by the way?

 

In fear of being "Foremanized" into submission by Pete, Mendoza, McGrain and others, I will not comment on this thread. Nor am I inviting a "let's beat up Round15" session either.

Foreman and Frazier, both very fine heavyweight champions. Foreman ranks higher mainly because of his two wins over Frazier and one over Norton, both trained by Eddie Futch and his comeback win against Moorer.

All I will say is that Joe Frazier, with the conditioning he displayed against Ali in the FOTC and just prior, wouldn't get knocked out in two rounds like the out-of-shape version who showed up to defend against George in 1973. Certainly I'd give a better conditioned Frazier the respect of being able to withstand George's early power and not getting hit as frequently as he did when he lost the title. Foreman said it himself, perhaps to be nice, like some on this forum say, especially when discussing Lennox Lewis who Foreman mentioned as the GOAT heavyweight and his fear of Jerry Quarry? Was George being nice and complimentary, or was his anxiety for real?

Ali's greatness can probably be attributed to the condition he left his opponents. Who's to say Joe would have done better against Foreman in 1975 if there was no Manilla fight?
Joe didn't have anything left in 1976 but lasted 5 rounds before George KOed him.

 

WOW!! Do you really believe what you write? atsch

 

No need for namecalling. Just act your age on this forum, NOT YOUR SHOE SIZE!

The greatest once called Floyd Patterson "the most skilled" as a boxer and aside from Mike Tyson and Roy Jones, who was really a beefed-up light heavyweight, Patterson had the fastest heavyweight hands according to many. Forget the Liston fights, Patterson was scared before the contract was even signed. He left his toughness in the dressing room and brought his fear to the ring when he fought Liston.

If you've ever spoken to George Chuvalo and Larry Holmes, they wouldn't pass off Patterson as a glass-chinned super middleweight. If Floyd lands the same hook without fear and authority like he did to Ingo, every heavyweight in the history of the sport would feel the punch and I'd bet on more than half of them hitting the canvas, include the superheavies of the sport today. As for Cleveland Williams, he was more than asolid contender who's given too much negative exposure from the Ali fight. Williams was fighting Ali after suffering a bullet wound to the gut, so I think he's being treated unfairly on this forum too.