Manny 10-20 all-time shows you dont know anything about boxing!!!!

Thats because he isnt.

 

Because in the case of Langford, for example, he was avoided like the plague by many of the reigning champions at the time. Also, there were only eight to ten divisions back in the day, with one world champion per division. Pac would certainly have done well in any era, methinks, but if he fights 50-75 years ago, he's probably not winning championships in seven weights. I think he'd win at least one world championship, and maybe two or three, but no more than that.

I think it's more important to take a look at who he fought and how he performed in those fights than simply use 7 titles in 7 weight divisions as basis for calling him great.

 

True, but even then through all that time, we have what 2 possibly 3 fighters who have done that?

 

What PAC has done is incredible! That's why without question he's the best fighter of the last 10 years officially and unoffically the best in the last 2 decades. But Sam boxed during the years where there were no super or Jr divisions, so there were less opportunities to win titles in that many divisions. But Sam is NOT the fighter Manny is. That is apparent.

 

Nope. Not yet. And neither is PAC,either. :good

Both of them are fantastic, but neither of them have done quite enough to achieve the same status as the Robinsons, Armstrongs, and Langfords.

 

most of em believe that ****...but give em the benefit of the doubt FOR ARGUMENTS SAKE...HE IS THE ONLY "TOP 10 ATG" (LMFAO BUT OK) THAT FLOYD WILL HAVE A CHANCE (IF THE FIGHT IS MADE) TO TEST HIS SKILLS AGAINST AS ALL OTHER TOP 10 ATG'S ARE LONG DONE...SO IF HE BEATS MANNY THAN HE WILL HAVE TESTED HIS SKILLS AGAINST AN ATG AND WON..HMMM..BUT THAN MANNY WILL BE SMALL, OVERRATED, HYPED UP, ETC...HE WONT BE TOP 10 ANYMORE CUZ FLOYD BEATS HIM SO HE WILL INSTANTLY SUCK AND BE "CHERRYPICKED"

 

Well, Armstrong,, McLarnin, Ross, Canzoneri, a few others. Pac's done well for himself to be mentioned in the same conversation, but I'm just saying that he's not any better than those guys. And that shouldn't be considered a slag against him.

 

I dont think PAC is ready yet for 10-20 spot but if he beat Mosley
and Floyd then definitely he may enter top 10.

 

Yes boxing has a rich history. It spans roughly 12 decades. Pac is the best of 1 of those decades. Without bias, its not too crazy to say he ranks in the top 20 of all time...some much more credible boxing personalities than you have said so, who are you to call it idiotic? Let me see your boxing credentials.

 

I have Manny outside of my top 20 but I don't see anything absurd with people ranking him inside top 20. Top 20-30 I think is given, top 10-20 and top 30-40 are debatable but can be easily argued, top 1-10 and outside of top 40 are absurd.

 

You have to ask yourself the question that if it is hard for today's boxers to match the records of the past (especially the records of those boxers before 1970) then how remarkable are Pacquiao's accomplishments, since Pacquiao's accomplishments (among any boxer since 1970) is the closest to approaching any of those records?

 

Because he fights in an era that has twice as many divisions and quadruple the amount of titles. Not to mention, the fighters today simply aren't as good.

 

This is not the time to be debating about this.

Give it 5 years after the guy is retired, and I am sure you will have to kill yourself for being off-target.

When a fighter who is still actively fighting is being considered already great by such renowned boxing historian as Bert Sugar, how much more when the guy retires. History has a way of forgiving a man's inadequacies while highlighting his strengths.

If you notice your grandparents would talk as to how much tougher and harder for them in their generation, just as your generation will be talking to your daughter how much it is easier for them compared to your generation, boxing has a way of sugar coating past fighters.

So sorry to burst your bubble but boxing knowledge has nothing to do with it.

I presume you have watched the greats in youtube and pored over boxrec and decided to consider yourself an "expert" in boxing knowledge.