Manny and the " Tell Tell Signs " ?

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No I was'nt talking about just 1 year ago.....I've already pointed out that my suspicions are that Pacquiao started cheating at the Morales rematches.

I'm not on this bandwagon that he's cheating just to fight at welter.
Imo there is good chance he's cheating because he physically gave his best in the first Marquez and Morales fight and fell well short.......


In any regards to the picture that an over 25 year old grown man in Pacquiao.......and his bone structer well looks smaller than Marquez in that picture.



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.....and I dont put alot significance in unofficial weights unless one fighter being weighed that night is insanely over what the other is.

If you were to look at a couple of fighters now with those body frames in the picture I just posted, you would estimate that Marquez knowing his a skilled fighter would be able to rise a couple of more divisions and be competitive.
Looking at Pacquiao there and his style of fighting, there is no way I could estimate he'd be the one to get better and not lose any physical attributes as he rose in weight.

Marquez was considered a good sized featherweight, but not a big featherweight.
Pacquiao at the time was considered a small to averaged sized featherweight......not at all someone who could naturally climb the weight classes to settle and compete, much less dominate as a welterweight.

 

Okay looking at that pic Pac does look like the naturally smaller man and his bone structure looks smaller but plenty of other fighters have moved up multiple weight divisions over the years, put on more muscle and still look ripped. Granted Pac has done more weight divisions but the early years when he was a growing teen don't count, and recently, from the time of the rematch to the time of the Clottey fight is not an extraordinary jump because he only looks like he's gained a few pounds and is better hydrated.

We're never gonna agree on this so let's leave it at that, hopefully you see where I'm coming from and I hope Pac will give in to the tests.

 

Listen, if I'd wipe away the fact that I know that Pac was already in his mid-twenties fighting the likes of MAB and Marquez at featherweight (already having competed and moved up a few divisions during his early 20's) ......you know, I'd still be suspicious but not as adamant and confident in my beliefs as I am knowing those facts.


The only fighter I can think of that moved north many divisions and likely did it naturally was Tommy Hearns, but his physical characteristics were freakish......the type to allow weight and mass to be added proportionately and not look flabby.
As a welter, Hearns was all bones to begin with.

I cant for the life of me think of another fighter who looked like Pac as a featherweight, and went up that many divsions and dominated every one of them, certainly no one with Pac's style of fighting even comes close to climbing the scales like that and continue to dominate in the same way he dominated in the lower divisions.

Roy Jones Jr. went from middleweight and had just one fight as a heavyweight......(he already tested positive once in a fight for steroids):think
......but even he came right back down to settle to fighting as a lightheavyweight, (only 15 lbs north of where is championship run started)

Its alot easier for a middleweight to put on 15 lbs and dominate lightheavyweight, than it is for a featherweight to put on 15 lbs and dominate Juniorwelter.

In Pac's case he's put on 20 lbs past the age of 25 and his featherweight days.....he added an additional 16% of his body weight......all lean mass.

Jones for example from 160 lbs to 175 lbs, added 15 lbs lean mass, or less than 10% of total weight.

.......This alone sounds insane and I'm not taking into account the weights that Pac fought in below featherweight, his climb in weight in comparing it to Jones is significantly higher than that of Roy Jones.


I can keep on putting all kind of statistics up to show there is founded reason to be suspicious of Pacquiao, but sure as the sun will rise each day, the ******* will say there is no reason to be suspicious, and that I'm speaking out of jealousy!atsch



......but I think you're right ero, we're never going to agree on every issue, though even though we dont agree, I'm glad to see a Pacfan acknowleadge the featherweight picture I posted and not just do what every other Pac fan would do, which would be to ignore it, or kick it and dismiss it.

Hopefully Pac agrees to take the tests, and the Mayweather fight gets made, but judging by Roach's recent interview on Jim Rome, it looks very unlikely to me that will happen.

If that fight gets made imo, it will be with Mayweather having to drop the testing demands or doing the 24 day window which by many proffesional standards of testing, is'nt good enough.

 

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this **** his hilarious

the tell tell signs

 

Do you work for teh pacquiao clan?

 

:good

 

in the end the truth will come out. PAC will feel guiltyand say he was on the JUICE.he cant right now he gots the ELECTIONS comming UP

 

atsch

 

Pacquiao's too truthful to be a politician..

I believe if anyone is guilty its Alex Ariza. Who knows what the hell he puts in the protein shakes.

 

Wait a minute, we don't know how much actual lean mass Pacquiao put on.

His last official weigh-in was at 145-3/4 pounds, but we don't know how well hydrated he was, and we were given that Pacquiao ate sometime before the weigh-in.

 

Careful matchmaking? So I guess your telling me he cherry picked Miguel Cotto, Hatton, Hoya and Clottey? Why don't you give me a list of fighters he should have fought instead.

I didn't say steroids don't make you a better athlete, I said they don't make you a better fighter. Apparently you ignored that. Manny's victories have been due to his improvements as a fighter. Like I said, steroids don't give you better boxing skills, better footwork, better combination/counter punching, and better intelligence in the ring.

And I don't even think manny has gone up 10-15 pounds, that's a number I spouted out. Superfeather is 130. Manny could have weighed well over that limit already and had to drain himself. If you look at his body now, it's obviously much less ripped and more filled out looking.

Everybodies bodies are different like I said. You have people who gain muscle easy, and people who don't. Genetics is key , just because you cant' do it doesn't mean others can't. And you don't have a top nutritionist in the country working with you, and aren't a physical freak like Manny is either.

Not if you're eating 7000 calories a day. The bottom line is calorie intake. Whether your doing cardio or not, if you eat enough, you'll gain. That swimmer Michael Phelps ate 10,000 calories a day and was all lean muscle.

 

Floyd Mayweather.

Fought at 129.5 against Jesus Chavez (at practically aged 25)
Fought at 150 against ODLH 5 and a half years later.

That's 16% of his body weight too. 20.5 pounds actually.

So, now that the numbers for Pac and Floyd are virtually identical, you going to say Floyd is on PED's too?

 

he's always fresh at almost all his fights moron. go tell a deaf about tell tale signs.