Manny and the " Tell Tell Signs " ?

Does a job have to know which drug you are using before they can drug test you? No. They don't need to know much.

Nonsense? These are the facts surrounding and alleged ATG fighter that won't take drug tests and suspiciously is ONLY fighting "in house" fighters.

This is strange.

 

This is what I just explained to you. 4 weight classes is perfectly possible without any kind of illegal **** going on because he is now fighting very close to the weight he walks around at. Fighters can easily dehydrate themselves to lose 15lbs for the weigh in and then rehydrate. 130-145=15 pounds and 4 weight classes. You gonna tell me you don't believe the weights? Fine but then don't act like you got solid proof.

The several weight classes the pervious years is explained because he was a kid when he started and hadn't fully grown. When you've got the damn answer to your question what's your problem?

It's a cop out. Your sole defence in those threads is "yeah but the weights are unofficial, the naked eye tells us more". Yeah he does look a little bigger but it's not by a huge amount. To prove my point compare this pic with the one in my avatar which was for the DLH fight and check out those ribs. He was always muscular. Plus the large bone structure means his frame can support more muscle than other guys his height. Not that I think he has put on a huge amount. Of course he looks dried up around the face because he had to cut so much weight like I told you. Look at Marquez, he looks healthier at that weight, meaning he didn't have to dehydrate himself as much. Pac was always bigger than people thought, he just tortured himself to make weight which he doesn't do now. A a result his chin seems to have improved. Coincidence? No.

This content is protected

here's another one, again there isn't much difference, but you people just don't wanna know.

This content is protected

If you don't wanna debate this **** any longer why do you keep bringing it up in different threads?

Can't catch a break this guy. DLH=weight drained and shot, Hatton=shot, Cotto=damaged goods, Clottey=Crap, Mayweather's steroid accusations=Reliable, "Yeah but he only gained 3lbs!"= Unreliable because weights were unoffical. This guy can't win with some of you, no matter what he does.

 

they need to improve those drugs from the philippines to reduce enlargment of the head. probably make it less potent so as to prevent suspicion. but my guess is, floyd's such a real hound dog and would have exposed pac either way even if he takes the most modern drugs available. it's quite obvious, your head shouldn't look bigger when you gain weight.

 

HGH, EPO, A-Side Meth...no one can even categorically state what performance enhancing drugs Pac is taking and yet haters talk as if they are so sure of their allegations.

If taking a steroid shortcut to boxing greatness is that easy, then why aren't more boxers showing even a fraction of Pacquiao's achievements? Which is easier to believe, that Pacquiao is taking a secret magical substance that is unknown to the rest of the world or that some people are just too spiteful and envious of his success?

 

ITS NOT A BLOW BLOW MAN

[yt]oxdWoU_URyk[/yt]

 

why would we have noticed? He's asian..

 

I think you are the ****** one.

Manny isn't scared for not taking the drug test. He just don't want floyd to dectate what ever he wants on boxing. after clottey fight pac was tested and it was negative.

Pac is the face of boxing now. Why would you allow a challenger to enforce whatever he wants when you are the recognize best fighter and champion?

 

:rofl:good

 

???? are you serious? Pac took drug test before in it came negative.

 

I've never said that Pac has put on a massive ammount of weight on.......

....between his jump from 130 lbs to now at 147 lbs, I'd say he looks like he's put on anywhere from 8 lbs to 10 lbs of mass, most noticeable in his shoulder and neck area.......he's probably also managed to increase his waist size just slightly.....

8 lbs when you consider his stature is a significant ammount of weight to put on when you consider he's put it all in lean mass.

......and its not just the lean mass that he's put on, but th fact that the mass is'nt hindering his quickness, speed, workrate, or stamina.....
.......all these things tie together, and then you add to that, that he's punching at much bigger fighters now and he's not tireing or even looks like he needs to take a round or two off during these welter bouts.


Again, its not just the weight that needs to be factored, everything else including what I just mentioned needs to fit into the equation.

This content is protected

This content is protected

Since these two fighters have crossed paths before, this is a sample of how Marquez looks in comparison to Pacquiao after both have put on weight and fought as Welters.

Thats Marquez who weighed 142 lbs officially.

.....and thats Pacquiao who officially weighed 146 lbs.


Marquez looked great physically when he fought Pacquiao at 130 lbs, and supposedly he had stepped in the ring against Pacquiao weighing 141 lbs.
Look what just about 5 lbs of mass has him looking like?

Pacquiao was already built rock solid in such a small frame......how the hell is he able to add more mass to his body and still come out looking all lean in his mass and mantaining every other physical attribute that he possesed in the lower weights, like quickness, speed, etc.....??????

There are alot of question marks as to how with Pacquiao, and whether he's being aided or not by PED's, there is'nt an cut and dry answer to explain it all.

......the only thing imo that a rational person can say is that asking him to take a PED test over it is not by any means ridiculous and uncalled for.

Many *******s here have claimed that the accusations thrown at Pac are high praise and indicates just how great he really is......its just too bad that Pacquiao himself is'nt taking it that way, because instead he's doing what a guilty person would do in that circumstance......getting mad, blurting out excuses, and filing lawsuits.

I would say just about anyone that was innocent of the charges would be cool and not act so defensive about the accusations.


.......I'll also add that I'm not of the belief like some that Pac's ped use would have started with the DLH fight.
My suspicion, and I've stated this in before in this forum, that Pac may have been aiding his body with PED's as early as the Morales rematches.



Look at this picture here by clicking on the link, thats Pac at 126 lbs, Marquez looks to have the naturally bigger bone structure in that particular picture......this would be a picture before I would say Pac started his regimen of PED's.
This picture here is not Pacquiao as a 16 year old boy, as the ******* have come to defend his weight climbs......thats Pacquiao at the age of 25 years and about 6 months......thats no longer a boy but a full grown man.

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0S020uOQ...anmanuelmarquezvideos.com/images/pacquiao.jpg[/IMG]

 

This content is protected

 

I love how I can say the most ******ed **** and pretend i'm a huge floyd fan, and it's so similar to the dumb **** his real fans say, people actually have to respond to my stuff.

You mayweather fans are the funniest bunch of morons on a boxing forum.

 

Divac wrote:

You are basically saying that Pac has put on an amount of weight that he could not have done without PEDs.

You said the unofficial weights are unreliable. What makes your figure of 8lbs so much more reliable? Recent pictures tell a different story. To me it looks like he's gained about 3lbs and is just better hydrated now at the weigh ins than he used to be. I could be wrong too but the evidence for you isn't there.

His stature is one of large bones which can support more muscle. Looking at the size of his ribs you can't deny this. Besides, the 8lbs figure again has nothing reliable to back it up, just your opinion.

Again, this is assuming that he's even put on a large amount of mass. He's always had a high punch output. Fighting bigger fighters is not going to make him more tired if they don't punch back. Why do you think it's so easy to do 12 rounds on a heavy bag? Because the bag doesn't punch back. Clottey didn't throw, DLH didn't throw, Cotto went into his shell after a few rounds and Hatton only lasted a couple. If he faced a guy who can match or beat him for punch output like Paul Williams, Pac would be tested a lot more. You keep thinking that PAc has gained a lot of weight. He hasn't. Like Nazim Richardson said, he just made everyone think he was a lot smaller than he actually was.

This content is protected

This content is protected

Again, different genetics, different body types and bone structure. Pac is not tall but he really doesn't have the tiny frame that people make out. A mesomorph can gain muscle easily. What applies to one man doesn't always apply to another as each body is different.

He agreed to the Olympic testing but just wanted a cut off period. I'm not defending this, he should've given into th demands but I can understand why he was pissed off. Floyd made up his own rules and Pac by agreeing to testing had already gone over and above what was required from him by the Athletic Commision. Yeah he asked for a cut off date but why is Floyd allowed to make up rules but not Pac?

Bull****. If you were innocent and some punk accused you with zero evidence you would be mad as hell unless you're Jesus. Don't be acting all cool when you're not in the same situation yourself. I hope you don't get accused of doing something you didn't do.

The link didn't work so I can't view the pic but you were talking about one year ago. Now you switch to 6 years ago when he was 25 to suit your arguement. 6 years is a long time. Without seeing the pic I can't comment on his bone structure there but although bones stop growing in length at around age 21, they can continue to grow in thickness.


You keep saying *******s but whats ******ed is you accusing a man without any proof whatsoever. If you took this **** to court as "evidence" the trial would be shot down in one day, seriously. 'm not saying there is no chance that he could be on PED's but it's innocent untill proven guilty. It's sad you got so much hate, the lengths you'll go to to tear down a man's acomplishments.

The only thing I can agree with you on is that Pac should've given into the demands but like I said he had every reason to be pissed off and every right to say no. I keep hearing the old line about $40 million, but for $40 million even Floyd could've said "Fine let's do the same testing we've always done". Dont be blaming one man only for the **** up. With Roger talking about that A-side meth ****, The Floyd camp will ask for bullet tests next, I suppose it'll be soley his fault if he says no to that too.