Manny Is #1 P4P, But Who Could Beat Him Head To Head?

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Pavlik, Cotto, Calzaghe, Guzman, and Calderon

 

I can't see how Calzaghe beat Pac H2H at this point.

 

Here is a post I made in response to someone else's yesterday:

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Originally Posted by Bill Butcher
Even IF you believe Lewis was the best of British (which I most certainly do not) its a scandal that he should make a top 5 list of the last 15 yrs, thats outrageous.

Imagine every fighter was roughly the same size & weight but with their same abilities & strengths... there is NO WAY Lewis is gonna beat guys like PBF, Morales, Jones, Barrera, Whitaker, Calzaghe, Mosely, Pacman or DLH.... No way. Get real people.





Mate, seriously, this is NOT what pound-for-pound is and it is NOT how it is worked out, think about what you're saying here, it is absolutely ludicrous.

Do you mean to tell me that when deciding if Lennox Lewis should be placed higher than Ricardo Lopez p4p, you either imagine a 5ft 4in and 7 stone Lennox Lewis fighting Lopez, or a 6ft 5in and 17 stone Ricardo Lopez fighting Lewis??

I am honestly not being rude mate honestly, but I have no idea where you got this idea from, but it absolutely is NOT what pound-for-pound is, the very idea is psychopathic!!!!

If you imagine that you so so radically change the size of a boxer for a fight, then he completely loses exactly what made him the fighter he is- this CANNOT be done, it makes no sense whatsoever. Of course you are going to think Shane Mosley would box rings round Lennox Lewis because he would be much faster and has better skills etc, but that is only because by nature, a lightweight needs those attributes to compete at world level. A heavyweight does not. He needs bulk and strength and power. If you imagine Mosley to be a heavyweight then at 16st, he cannot be that same quicksilver mover and puncher, so he is then a completely different fighter. If you imagine Lewis to be a lightweight, you can't imagine a 5ft 7in 135lbs guy standing flat-footed and lining up head shots, as that is not what a lightweight could ever do.

You can determine who was better between current and past fighters by H2H- if they fought at the same weight. You can decide who was better between Hagler and Monzon by imagining what you think would happen if they fought, because then you aren't changing anything about them, you're just taking both men and putting them in the ring.

But to decide properly pound-for-pound who was better, the way you work this out is by looking at how they performed against the men they fought, how much better they were than the best fighters in their weight division at the time.

Example: In my opinion, Roberto Duran is a better fighter pound-for-pound than Joe Frazier. I think this because Duran showed he was better than the best fighters he fought by a greater margin than Frazier was. Duran at lightweight got the better of everyone he fought, looked far far better than most of the guys he fought, and he fought many great fighters and took on many difficult and dangerous challenges, and did this more regularly and with greater ease than Frazier did.
I do not think this because if I blew up Duran to 16st or shrunk Frazier down to 135lbs, Duran would win a fight between them, because by definition this is impossible.

It's the same as saying I think Laila Ali is better p4p than Roy Jones Jr, because if you imagine Ali as a man, she would win a fight between the two. But she isn't a man! And obviously imagining her as a man (aside from being very very wrong!) would completely change the fighter she is!!


Do you see what I'm saying, or do you seriously think what you're suggesting has any merit at all whatsoever?


This thread idea is both absurd and impossible. Please end thread and re-think life.

 

Any champ from the 126, 130 and the 135 division can beat him.
He's not one of those granite jawed, invincible juggernauts.

One good punch can put him down, and he can be defensively porous at times.

That's why he's fun to watch, ever since I first saw him fight.

It's like sudden death, every single minute he fights.

Either you knock him out, or he knocks you out.

 

Guzman, Calzaghe, possibly Mijares.

Though he would have a great chance in all of them.

 

Mijares, Guzman and Winky would UD Pac P4P.

 

Juan Manuel Marquez is more than capable of beating Pacquiao, and in my humble opinion, already has on at least one occasion. Manny Pacquiao is one of the weaker P4P champions in recent times, I believe. His resume flatters him greatly.

 

There are a few fights taht would be challenging if they were at an equal wieght and level playing field. but Pac has the talent and natrual gifts that would make it hard for anyone to beat him. Juan Manuel Marquez is as good as a boxer gets in terms of skill and ability in the ring and although all LOGIC says he should have beaten PAC 10 times out of 10.......there is just something that PAC has in his arsenal that defies logic and he continues not only to win, but win dominantly or decisively.

 

Pac probably beats all of them. The ones i see giving him the most trouble are Mijares and Calzaghe

 

Head to head i would favor Cotto because he has craft to go along with his power,so he could ether outbox him and win a decision or knock his ass out.

 

Calzaghe and Wright now doubt about it
Guzman would box circles around him and so would Calderon
Mijeres would possibly beat him as well.