Manny may have just blew a gigantic payday but...........

Actually, it was Pac/his people that set the weight conditions and they were met by DLH.

 

A few months ago, Roach was adamently against this fight. He said Oscar was too big. Roach has always been a guy that is protective of his fighters. And he didn't like the Hoya fight for safety reasons. Fast foward a few months later. Roach is now on the Golden Boy payroll and he's suddenly enthused about this fight. He talked some bull**** the other day about Pac KO'ing Hoya, and is now trying to convince Pac to take a fight that Pac doesn't want; a fight that Roach himself said was a bad idea only a few months ago. You don't see a problem with this?

 

This is the same Roach that said before the signing of Pac-JMM II that David Diaz was most dangerous than any other opponent at 130 includding JMM, (he was trying to avoid JMM at that time and justify Pac-Diaz fight) and of course most of us fans, "who know 0 about real boxing" (according to you), said that D. Diaz was the weakest link at 135 and we were right.... now the same Roach who knows everything about boxing is saying that Pac can KO Hoya. Should we believe him????

 

Where is the article and when did he say it? Was it before the Steve Forbes fight, was it before the Diaz fight? If it was before both fights then Roach got an idea in his head that perhaps, Pac stands a very good chance. Afterall, if DLH cannot knock out an average FW blownup to MW past his prime, what would a very good LW do against a WW in his prime? He saw that Pac can box from the outside too and avoid getting hit and he saw that Hoya could get hit.

Roach has always said Manny is like a son to him, I seriously do not think he would put Manny's life at anymore risk than he has been doing so already for money.

 

Of course he would say that cos they needed to sell the fight. Roach went in there knowing his most prized fighter is gonna win the fight and not in any real danger, anything else he said is irrelevant and its just to sell it. I dont see him saying that pac can beat DLH if he cant just to sell a fight, cos unlike Diaz, he really could be going in there to loose and I dont think hes in that business.

I say we know 0 about real boxing cos we dont really know much more than what were shown. We know how Pac would fare against FW when he was at FW because thats all we see, thats all we know, many say they wont guess what he will be like at LW until they see him. Guys like Roach have seen Manny spar LW's in the gym, he's held pads for Manny and top LW's around the world, he knows the world of difference in their levels. On the same token, he knows how fast, how powerful DLH is and perhaps hes sparred withs ome lighter opponents. He knows how fast, powerful Pac is and how he fares against the WW sparring partners in the gym. WE DONT. We have never seen anything else otherwise than the fights we see of them fighting in their own division.

I know guys ive trained with. One is a LW, one is a HW. People who's only seen the HW fight HW's and LW fight LW's would think the HW would crush the LW, because they never seen otherwise and it seems the most logical way to think. Those on the inside, those who's seen those 2 spar in the ring know better.

 

I know exactly what Roach was doing at that time, but some idiots still believed what he said....any way my point was that not necessarily everything he says is true.

Now let me ask you a question, why should we believe that Pac can ko Oscar and not the other way around? Or just lets say why should we think that Pac is going to ko oscar? Should we give the benefit of the doubt to a fighter (Pac) who has never ko a boxer at 147 instead of giving the benefit of the doubt to a boxer (Hoya) who has never being KO (chin) and on top of that has fought and taken punches from bigger and stronger boxers than Pac, boxers who hit harder than Pac?

Sparring is one thing, fighting in the ring for real is another one.

Edited.

 

You dont have to believe it. How many believed Cotto would KO Margo, or Margo would KO Cotto? No one is forcing you to believe it, the whole point in my argument is that usually fighters prove it in the ring which of us fans are correct. In this case, you guys seem too afraid of being proven wrong cos that would just destroy your theories completely.

For those who thinks Roach is doing it for Manny

"

BoxingHerald.com was just informed by Manny Pacquiao trainer Freddie Roach that negotiations for Pacquiao's fight with Oscar De La Hoya have NOT closed.
Roach also stated that he "wouldn't want a dime" if Pacquiao loses to De La Hoya.

Obviously, the LA based trainer wants the mega event to happen."

 

And if he did win, in which i think he had a chance, that will set him up for a whole new list of paydays.

Either way I think it would have been a exciting fight to watch even if it only lasted a few rounds

 

maybe oscar thinks 70% of the people who will watch the ODLHvsPac was because of him. that's why he's giving only 30% to pac. Pac did the right thing 30% is an insult.

 

Who was the last fighter to get better than a 30/70 split against Oscar?

 

well i hope your respect pays manny more than 15million :good


seriously though, manny needs to realize that he aint the superstar he thinks he is and 70-30 from a goldenboy purse is a ****en gold mind......i think he just realized he would get badly whooped on, and decided to call it off.....:deal

 

First of all let me say that I am not part of your "you guys seem too afraid of being proven wrong" , I don't really care if Pac fights Hoya or not. I am a boxing fan and I have preferences for one fight over another, that's it.

Second of all, you didn't addressed my point completely, and the examples you are giving are not really helping you.

Let me rephrase the question for you. Would you give the benefit of the dooubt (edge)to boxer "A" (in this case Pac) who has never fought at 147 and therefore never ko a boxer at that weight class instead of giving the benefit of the doubt to boxer "B" (in this case Hoya) who has fought at that weight class and higher than that weight class and has never being ko by a punch on his chin, and also has faced bigger and stronger punchers than boxer A?

The question is simple, all what I am asking you is your opinion, simple as that.

Ps, you don't have to tell me or quote the status of the negociations or somebody elses opinion, I am not asking for that.:good

 

DLH vs. ANYBODY .... then Manny vs. Mayweather or Hatton or JMM or Campbell or Casamayor

Which one would you watch?

Poll on HBO (Shows Manny's popularity)
Who would you like to see Oscar De La Hoya face in his final fight:
Manny Pacquiao 45%
Floyd Mayweather 19%
Ricky Hatton 5%
Miguel Cotto 28%
Shane Mosley 3%

 

There's one name conspicuously missing from that poll:think

 

The answer is simple, id give the benefit of the doubt to the one whos fought and had more success at a higher weight. Infact, in this matchup, id favour ODLH!!!

All that however is irrelevant, because what I am opposing is not the fact that DLH will be favourite (Im well aware of that), im arguing against those who claims this fight is a farce simply because they are so sure that ODLH would KTFO Manny and seriously damage his health. They act like its a fact and need not be proven in the ring. FACT is, until they step into the ring, nothing is proven, hence why this fight is not a farce, the result is not yet set and Roach isnt neccesarily doing it for money. Maybe like many other fans, he actually believe Manny has a good chance.

I think JMM is gonna beat Casamayor. Should I now try and stop this fight, call Casamayor's coach a money grubbing coach only after the money cos he knows Casamayor doesnt stand a chance, call the fight a farce? Simply state that this fight shouldnt happen because I believe JMM will win and the result is set!?

That is what im opposing, the fact that just because they favour DLH they suddenly think everyone who is in for the fight either are crazy for wanting to see a farce of a fight and Pac's coach is only after money cos he couldnt possibly believe Pac has a chance. BS.