Manny or Marquez?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by radab, Dec 19, 2008.


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  1. radab

    radab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Apologies if this thread has been done to death, but i'm new here so i want to share my thoughts.

    Everyone says Manny Pacquiao is the p4p champion. But look at his last 5 fights - DLH - totally shot and severely weight drained = effectively a walking corpse. David Diaz - a bum, the softest LW "champion" by a long way, JMM - forget the judges Marquez won the fight, Barerra - good win, Morales - totally shot.

    Now take a look at Marquez' last few fights - Casamayor - perhaps the toughest test at LW Marquez becomes first to stop him, Pacquiao - fantastic win for Marquez, Barerra - good win, Juarez - decent win.

    Now consider that Pacman is chasing a fight with Hatton - a guy who has looked less than stellar since stopping Tszyu - he was wobbled and troubled by light hitting Lazcano, really lost to Collazo, ran away from Urango, couldnt put Paulie away even though Paulie literally couldnt hurt him.

    While Manny chases the poor Hatton, Marquez has now gone after another elite fighter in Juan Diaz.

    To me there is no debate. Juan Manuel Marquez deserves to be the p4p number one. The only way i can see Manny becoming legit p4p king is if he fights and beats Mayweather or if he beats Marquez before Marquez gets any older. Chasing big money fights against weak opposition does not a p4p king make.
     
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  2. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    :patsch
     
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  3. hooligan

    hooligan Millionaire Bum Full Member

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    we got ourselves another hater here folks :tired
     
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  4. canuckpunch

    canuckpunch Member Full Member

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    so how much money did you lose?
     
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  5. Jbuz

    Jbuz Belt folder Full Member

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    That logic just doesnt work. Even if you think Marquez beat Pacquiao, which a case can definitely be made, it was far from convincing. Since that fight he has beaten a past-it Casamayor, while Pac has beaten Diaz and a past-it DLH. If you're going to say Pac needs to beat Marquez convincingly to be P4P number 1, then wouldn't Marquez have to do the same to Pac in order to get it? It was far from convincing either way, highly debatable. The difference is Pac was ranked higher before that fight (number 2), and has done more since, therefore he is number 1.
     
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  6. Totomabs

    Totomabs Sauna Belt Holder Full Member

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    i won't dispute your claims on pacquiao's resume because it's pretty obvious that you don't like him and it's kinda useless arguing with you on that aspect since everyone knows already the real score and has given due credit to pacman's accomplishments..

    but, as to your claims on JMM's resume, let me enlighten you with a few points.

    JMM won over a shot casa, lost to pacquiao(it could've gone either way so no use arguing over it), won over an obviously past prime barrera(though i thought barrera won), and won over a decent fighter in juarez..

    and true enough, we indeed got ourselves a new hater in you.lol but what the heck, welcome to esb just the same(that's if you're really new which i doubt)
     
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  7. dhenzrae

    dhenzrae A Proud Noypi Full Member

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    good post :good
     
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  8. CarlesX7

    CarlesX7 Shit got real! Full Member

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    :rofl
     
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  9. dits

    dits Active Member Full Member

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    QFT. Couldn't have said it better.

    Now I like both fighters. I like Manny's exciting and aggressive style while also appreciating JMM's sweet technique. But Manny is undisputed number 1.

    Regarding their rematch, Pac did enough to get the win and I will admit that JMM did too. However "controversial" his win over JMM was, Manny got the decision. That's boxing. Deal with it. Had it gone the other way, I wouldn't have any compunction giving JMM credit. Both fighters deserve props for that exciting boxing match.
     
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  10. kadyo

    kadyo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What made you so bitter?
     
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  11. harrison

    harrison feu-nrmf md 2005 Full Member

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    what happened to
    1. Chris john
    2. polo
    3. salido
    4. jandeng
    5. jaca

    plus those senior citizens mab and casa and 1 eyed class c juarez you talked abaout? :D:D

    damn another pacteron in the making :lol::patsch
     
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  12. radab

    radab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    na i'm no hater, just feel JMs done more to deserve p4p king status than manny. and if he gets past diaz then campbell he'll have a resume like no other.
     
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  13. harrison

    harrison feu-nrmf md 2005 Full Member

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    so winning against

    1. class c jaca
    2. class c jandeng
    3. class c polo
    4. class c salido
    5. one aye class c juarez
    6. senior citizen mab that made jmm kissed the canvass
    7. senior citizen casa
    8. LOST to class b chris john
    9. and kissed the canvass 4 times against pac :lol:

    makes jmm pound per pound number 1?? :rofl:rofl:rofl
     
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  14. kadyo

    kadyo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    diaz and campbell? who they?
     
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  15. ku_las

    ku_las Active Member Full Member

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    Originaly Posted by dits
    Now I like both fighters. I like Manny's exciting and aggressive style while also appreciating JMM's sweet technique. But Manny is undisputed number 1.

    Regarding their rematch, Pac did enough to get the win and I will admit that JMM did too. However "controversial" his win over JMM was, Manny got the decision. That's boxing. Deal with it. Had it gone the other way, I wouldn't have any compunction giving JMM credit. Both fighters deserve props for that exciting boxing match.

    :thumbsup
     
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