Okay ive seen the fight before but its been years. I just rewatched it and looking at the first round 3rd knockdown i noticed somthing. Manny hit JMM while he was down. It wasnt that bad but Roy Jones got DQ'd for doing the same thing. What do you guys think of this? Would a Point deduction been fair? A DQ may be to much but again i dont think the shot Roy got DQ'd for was much worse. Just some thoughts, would appreciate some feedback. Heres a link of the first round guys!! http://youtube.com/watch?v=Be063W3VSDg
the vid doesn't work but from my recollection JMM was kind of holding on to the ropes trying to keep himself up. Pac probably didn't think he was down so its a pretty legit shot imo. Jones hit Griffin twice when he was very clearly down IMO the 2 are not comparable
As Pharaoh said, JMM was using the ropes to try and stay up and the knockdown hadn't been fully determined yet so it was alright. IMO Jones shouldn't have been disqualified as well, the second punch he hit Griffin with was late, but the ref didn't do his job and it was part of a combination, making it harder to check the shot.
Yeh, you could see Jones was in the zone chasing Griffin all over the place. It was a mistake of being caught in the moment and the ref shoulda stepped in. A point or 2 deduction would have been fair but DQ? Ridiculous...DQ doesnt determine anything for the fight and cheat people out of their money for a fight they came to see.
Jones did his completely deliberate, and out of frustration. What else could be done after Roy so blantanty nailed him after he was down for almost 3 seconds? I mean, Roy repositioned his feet, watched him on the ground and waited for Griffin to bring his head up so he could hit it. He deserved a DQ. It would have been completely unfair to expect Griffin to get up and finish the fight after he had been knocked out while on his knee. Let alone, extmemely dangerous. Griffin was doing very good in that fight up to that point.
well Griffin may not have beaten the count after those 2 cheapshots so it was either give the win to Jones or give the win to Griffin Maybe he could have given Griffin 5 minutes to recover or more (if the rules allow it) .
though i agree with the DQ, Griffin was losing that fight. He was down on two scorecards and getting pummeled in the 9th.
Griffin was in major trouble at that point and touched down to try and get out of it, but the referee made no motion to attempt to stop the action when that happened. Fighters are taught to follow-up until the ref calls a knockdown and the ref didn't even get there until well after the second punch was landed, so that fight was more his fault than anything else.
I think a point deduction would have added even more controversy to an already complicated bout. I think it is best the way it occurred. JMM came back so strong after that round but that round was so devastating for him that a draw I think is the best decision.
the thing that bothers me about how these fouls are enforced is that it seems as if the guy has to do an acting job in order for the other guy to get fouled. Now Roy clearly fouled Griffin, but Griffin seemed to be acting. DQ for Roy. Bowe hit Mathis when he was down, Mathis seemed to act, it ended in a no-contest. Norris hits Walker when he's down, Walker falls all over the place (maybe he was really hurt in this case), Norris gets DQ'd. Lennox hits Acey when he's down (3 times), Tyson hits Halpin and Bruno when they're down, Norris hits Leonard when he's down, Bowe hits Ferguson when he's down, DLH hits Campanella two or three times when he's down, Maussa-Harris, etc.....No penalties.
One, Griffin took a knee at 46 seconds and Jones hit him at the 45 second mark, so you're exaggerating quite a bit. Two, Griffin was losing the fight and had already been down that round I believe, so would have been down on all cards and by 4 points at least on 2 of them at the end of that round. I don't think Jones did it deliberately....
It was a ref call. Good call by the way. If Cortez Dqd Pac, it would not have served the sport right.
A DQ was definitely not merited, but a point deduction should have been taken from Paquiao.....JMM was not only holding on too the ring rope with his right hand, but his left hand was was on the canvas which constitutes a knockdown. Pacquiao clearly hit Marquez while he was down, and it deserves a point deduction....any punch thrown while a fightr is down should merit a point deduction at the very least. ......Pac fans can complain about a judge not awarding Pacquiao a 10-6 round in the 1st, but notice that none mention Pac's foul in the very same round that should have been deducted a point!:yep