Manny Pacquaio - Phenomena or Phantom?

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  1. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    No, it is why Oscar drained down early, so he wouldn't be in danger of losing money on the scale. Not sure if he really made it or not. I 'seen' an article somewhere in a quick search but can't link to it. $3mill if he was even a fraction over.
     
  2. 1punch1nder

    1punch1nder **Bam Bam** Full Member

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    list down at least 3 names of opponents that he ducked in the lower weights otherwise be branded as another pathetic troll who doesnt know **** about boxing.
     
  3. 1punch1nder

    1punch1nder **Bam Bam** Full Member

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    a jackoff material eh *****?
     
  4. praetorianJJ

    praetorianJJ Conqueror of Worlds Full Member

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    :lol: If Artdawg is a *****, his disguise is Oscar worthy
     
  5. boyschoir

    boyschoir Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Floydiot Logic:

    "Pac fought......

    De La Hoya - weight drained

    Hatton - exposed and a leftover

    Cotto - weight drained

    Margo - a cheat

    Mosley - leftover

    as for his trainer - overrated!"

    BUT PAC HAS TO TESTED BEFORE HE FIGHTS Floyd!


    Floydiots' response: "Pac is on roids!"

    It makes perfect sense in Floydiot Land! :rofl
     
  6. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    Was there not also a rehydration rule as well?

    if it was it would have made sense to be on that weight trying to make it "normal". Know what I mean?
     
  7. duranimal

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    He's a PHENOM & lets enjoy him while we got him!!! All good things come to an end as we all well know but what he's acheived is well beyond the call of duty & he's ducked no one regardless of the fact he's proberbly being fleeced by managment/promoters/ontourage ect ect name anyone else that has stepped up to the plate consistantly these past 10 years!!!!

    He'll fight anyone anytime & he's only a little feller to boot. To think other wise is down too pure fear for the one man who's ducked him for the very good reason as he's not sure he can beat him otherwise he would have fought him in a heartbeat!!!

    Manny is old school who's just gratfull for the chance to escape the misery & poverty of his upbringing hence he can't be intimidated hence Floyd fleeing the confrontation with the one man who spookes him out regardless of floyds superior boxing ability it don't mean **** when you've got a hungry vicious guttersnipe in your face who ar'nt scared of you or respects you & floyd knows that oh so well hence avoid the midgit at all costs.
     
  8. Hermit

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    That rings a bell, but I'm not certain of that. I'm trying to remember what the cut off time for that was now. I think it was fairly early in the day. I just don't remember for certain.
     
  9. Lance_Uppercut

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    Sounds a little like speculation, but I'll give your the benefit of the doubt.
    However, if he made 146 a WEEK before the fight, and was bragging about how great he felt, doesn't sound like he was in any danger at all.
     
  10. dodong

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    when people accuse pac of avoiding serious challenges, they shoud at least list down the names of fighter he avoided.
     
  11. GTSK

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    How come no one talks about Pacquiaos huge win against the former Lightweight Kingpin Diaz? Diaz was a bigger stronger version of Barrera and the end result was worse. Pacquiao has many great wins that are not appreciated by the true boxing fans. If Pacquioa never fought Clottey boxing fans 10 years from now would be doing dream matches about Pac vs Clottey. Clotteys slick defense is the best us pac fans have ever seen. Clottey an african training America so I dont know why people say Pac ducks slick african americans.
     
  12. boyschoir

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    exactly! :good

    oh wait, as per floydiot-logic:

    Pac: "I'll take a lesser purse, if that's what's needed to make the fight!"

    Floyd: "ok, 100% PPV revenues to me!"

    Pac: "no!"

    Floydiots: "Pac is ducking the fight!" :rofl
     
  13. this_and_that

    this_and_that Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Of course the OP has his own agenda, but props for at least trying to be neutral.

    I have said this tons of times before, anybody who dismisses the Cotto and Hatton wins is simply delusional.
    Anybody who thinks Cotto and Hatton would've triumphed over Pac if it happened before their losses or at the full WW limit (Cotto), is likewise delusional.
    Pac has shown us that he was a class above the two. Period.

    Now on the subject of Clottey, it was a legit fight. Clottey was highly rated at that time and Pac was being accused of only fighting come-forward fighters.
    Was it the best fight at the time? Of course not.
    But make no mistake about it, Clottey was regarded as a genuine threat to the fresh-WW comer Pac.
    It was an OK win.

    On the subject of Margarito, the only crap about that fight is the title.
    Subtract the title from the picture and Pac pretty much gave Margarito all the advantages by allowing the already larger guy 3 more lbs above WW, when he himself can't go past 148lbs during fight night.
    Again, it was an excellent performance by Pac.
    He showed us that pressure fighters will never stand a chance against him.
    He was very dynamic with his combinations here. It was a beauty to watch.
    It was a VERY GOOD win if you will only see it as a bout, not a title-match.

    Mosley was just crap. Nonetheless, Pac still made a testament by flooring iron-chinned Mosley, who was pretty much ALMOST never down his entire career.
    It was an ugly, nonsensical win.
     
  14. caneman

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    PC: Was coming down to 145 tougher than you thought it would be since you hadn’t weighed 145 or less since 2006?

    MC: I felt really good at that weight. It wasn’t a problem for me.




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  15. caneman

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    The Manny Pacquiao Wars: Attack of the Monday Morning Quarterbacks

    By Steve Lewis: After Manny Pacquiao’s dominant performance against top welterweight, Miguel Cotto, to capture a championship in a record-breaking 7th weight class, numerous Pacquiao skeptics became “converts.” Or at least, they were willing to finally give some due credit. Of course, you will never win them all completely because there will always be the few individuals who will, after the fact, give excuses and justifications as to why Pacquiao’s accomplishments need to be tempered down.

    Enter the Monday Morning Quarterbacks, those who share their hindsight analysis and their revisionist history. And as we all know, hindsight is 20/20. It is rather amusing, and often times irritating, to see these Monday Morning Quarterbacks vehemently and adamantly proclaim why Pacquiao will fall short in “fill-in-the-blank” endeavor. And when Pacquiao disproves them, and even surpasses all expectations, the excuses come pouring in.

    Now some Monday Morning Quarterbacks have agendas, and thus are typically in denial. Others are just plain contrarians, doing so for the sake of being contrarians, whose sole purpose is to attain notoriety by making outlandish remarks and wanting to merely see a reaction from the Pacquiao fan base.

    Prior to the Pacquiao-Lehlo Ledwaba title match, Pacquiao’s first fight in the U.S., no one gave Pacquiao a chance. Even the Las Vegas casinos did not bother taking wagers for this fight. Result: Pacquiao TKO win. Monday Morning Quarterbacks’ excuse: Pacquiao was a last minute replacement and Ledwaba had been preparing for a different kind of fighter.
    The same argument can be made for Pacquiao: he was a last minute replacement and was not training specifically for Ledwaba either. He probably wasn’t training much at all. Yet, he won.

    Prior to Pacquiao-Barrera I, Barrera was the heavy favorite, still ranked among the top pound-for-pound. Result: Pacquiao TKO win. Monday Morning Quarterbacks’ excuse: Barrera was already old, had battled Erik Morales, distractions in camp, had a metal plate in his head (years prior to the fight!), etc.

    Apparently, all those excuses did not prevent people from favoring Pacquiao before the fight. Again, hindsight is 20/20. Barrera evidently was not too old to still remain in the pound-for-pound rankings, evidently still had enough in the gas tank to subsequently win against the likes of Paulie Ayala, Erik Morales (again), Robbie Peden, and Rocky Juarez. But apparently, he was already too old for Pacquiao, a justification after the fact.