Manny Pacquiao (2009) Vs. Errol Spence (2016) @ 147: Who Wins and How?

I will have a more careful opinion after I watch Spense fight Brook. If we take 2016 Spence, who doesn't have a lot of experience fighting at a world level, he will definitely be overwhelmed by speed, volume and variety of punches by 2009 Pacquiao. The experience would be the difference.

Potentially, I can see the case of Spence defeating Pacquiao, by investing a lot to body punches (to which Pac was always a bit vulnerable) early in the fight and getting a late KO victory. At the same time, Pac feels pretty comfortable under pressure, so I don't have a complete picture of it.

 

Of course Pacquiao since that was 1000 power punch a fight Pacquiao but human Pacquiao who can barely push 400 and gets tired would get beat by even the likes of a Thurman and would have a close fight against Danny Garcia.

The Manny that fought Bradley in the first fight loses to the following:

- Spence
- Brook
- Porter
- Thurman

The guy didn't lose his killer instinct. He lost Ariza and it was all down hill from there. He's literally been the same fighter for his entire career. The only change was energy, punch output, punch resistance.

 

[url]http://www.thesweetscience.com/feature-articles/15688-ariza-not-too-pleased-mannys-not-doing-strength-training[/url]

Ariza claims Manny wasn't doing strength and conditioning the past couple of fights "particularly" the Bradley fight where Ariza was threatened by Roach of being fired. Manny worsened once Ariza was out of the picture. Here's an article on the turmoil for the Bradley fight.

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/www.badlefthook.com/platform/amp/2012/6/8/3073238/pacquiao-vs-bradley-roach-ariza-corner-team-manny-hbo-boxing-news[/url]

The only dumb **** is you since you you're one of the few *******s that didn't get the memo that Manny is a has been whose only purpose left is being a sacrificial lamb for Crawford later this year.

I can't wait when it happens. Seeing *******s lament is one of the greatest sights I love to revel in.

 

Dumb@ss logic. X fighter did Y against Z fighter who beat fighter A therefore fighter X would beat fighter A. So Marquez ko 6 Manny and Manny beat Bradley so Marquez should beat Bradley. I can give hundreds of these examples. Styles make fights bro! 2009 manny gives floyd serious problems and likely beats him. why do you think floyd didnt fight him till 3 years post ko6.

 

Manny 09 vs Spence `16 is an absolute slaughter! Manny by methodical beating and eventual ko. You haters are funny. Manny was an absolute monster in his prime. Hed of boxed circles around the flat footed Spence and the speed and power wouldve been too much.

 

So you are basically saying that Pac stopped using PEDs in 2012. But Mayweather obviously didn't stop using them, see the illegal IV injections one day before Pac fight... So a PED fueled Floyd beat a clean Pacquiao. Now that doesn't look very good for Mayweather, does it?

 

Oh FCK!
Didn't look at the years

 

Here we go again. I don't remember team PAC having any objections over the illegal iv you speak of. Kinda weird given they sued Floyd over defamation of character but made no peep over Floyd using PEDs but then again team PAC was never consistent.

 

Arum was upset over it, but he couldn't do anything against it, since Mayweather was issued a TUE by USADA.

"Although the substances contained in the IV were not banned by Wada, IVs are not allowed. But close to three weeks after the fight, which was won by Mayweather, the American received an exemption from the United States Anti-Doping Agency, the report said on Wednesday.

"It is very disturbing," Bob Arum, Pacquiao's promoter, told USA Today Sports. "Yeah, I am outraged. But I don't know what we can do about it. I can't change the result."

 

There's nothing he could do because there wasn't nothing wrong about it. Only ******s grasp for the whole illegal IV thing. Floyd>Manny. Get over it or keep your pathetic reaching up if it helps you cope. I don't care.

 

TheyDontBoxNoMore7's posts further emphasise that the Manny of 2015 was semi-shot. It doesn't matter what the reason is, he was tested 'clean' just like you like to give Mayweather credit for the victory vs Pac where Floyd was declared 'clean'. Yet Pac was further from prime than this foe, Mayweather the Top 90 ATG.

 

There was "nothing wrong about it" because USADA didn't break a law or a contract, so Arum couldn't sue. But of course there was something wrong, USADA ignored their own guidelines which is clear for anybody who actually bothered the read the WADA code.

According to USADA's own guidelines :
- IV is NOT ALLOWED for dehydration.
- The only circumstance that IV would EVER be allowed is in an unusual medical emergency.
- IV is not allowed for two main reasons - 1. unfair weight advantages gained in cutting weight and re-hydrating, 2. The ability of IV drips to mask traces of some PEDs in the system.
If Mayweather had a valid reason for a TUE, he would have been in the hospital.

I don't give a **** about who is better, Floyd or Pac. But you are nothing but a hypocrite for claiming that only Pacquiao used PEDs and Floyd didn't. Face the facts, your hero was a walking laboratory: "In tests administered to Mayweather by the NSAC for fights in 2011 and 2013, he posted unusually low testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratios, either of which, as experts described, should have served as “a warning flag” for doping."
And it was even more evident after the IV scandal.

 

Obviously you do. Give us all your source and tell me how Floyd was punished for it? It better be good, otherwise you're just wasting my time. Bob didn't bother with it.

 

Welcome back from your ban. That said...

Floyd>Pac. Deal with it.