Manny Pacquiao and the nuisance that is Juan Manuel Marquez!

Vano-Irons · Nov 29, 2011

Manny Pacquiao and the nuisance that is Juan Manuel Marquez!

By Daniel Vano

‘And Glen Trowbridge scores the fight 116-112 to the winner by Majority Decision. And still WBO Welterweight champion, Manny ‘Pacman’ Pacquiaoooooooooo’. Over the years we have grown accustom to both the trademark words of Michael Buffer, as well as the sight of Manny Pacquiao with his arms aloft after being announced the winner. And November 12th was no different. Many experts agreed that a ‘Pacquiao by decision’ would be the best bet. While Marquez had been hurt by the Filipino dynamo in their two previous encounters, the Mexican warrior had shown tremendous grit and determination to pull through and battle until the end. Even with Marquez stepping up to Welterweight for the first time since being dominated by Floyd Mayweather back in 2009, it was only Freddie Roach and a handful of others predicting a blowout.

And once again the experts had it spot on. Manny Pacquiao was indeed announced the winner by decision. Unfortunately, I couldn’t watch the fight live, but I managed to wake up at half five in the morning to follow a round-by-round assessment via Twitter. When I awoke, I was astonished. We were already in round 8, and most had only given the pound for pound champion two or three rounds. As the minutes and rounds rolled by, the online boxing community was going into overdrive. ‘Another round to Marquez, Pacquiao is being outclassed’ one observer said. Dan Rafael had it 6-5 to Pacquiao going into the final round. But he was the only one.

Suddenly I receive a text message off a friend. ‘What the f***! Can you believe that!?!? I’m disgusted! Sick to the bone, totally gutted.’ I didn’t need to be told the result. My friend, who is a knowledgeable boxing fan in his own right, is a massive fan of Mexican fighters. Salvador Sanchez, Marquez, Barrera and Morales all make up his favourite all time fighters list. Could I trust his opinion to be totally unbiased? Perhaps not. I’d have to watch this for myself.

The following afternoon, I sat in anticipation as Marquez walked towards the ring. The huge Mexican crowd in the MGM Grand were behind their hero. Make no mistake; however, I was watching this as a massive Pacquiao fan. Ever since he blew away Marco Antonio Barrera, Pacquiao had been one of my favourite fighters. He had defeated Morales twice, handed out a one-sided beat down to David Diaz, and, when cherry picked by the Golden Boy himself, he blew away Oscar De La Hoya in 8 rounds to receive the fame he deserved. Since then, he has destroyed Ricky Hatton in 2 pulsating rounds, beat up Miguel Cotto, and forced Antonio Margarito to have an operation on a broken orbital bone, while Pacquiao sang out of tune on stage.

After the first two rounds, I couldn’t understand the controversy. Pacquiao, while not looking his explosive best, had done enough to take them on my card. But then came the change. Marquez’s footwork began to take hold, and he started to make Pacquiao leap in with his shots, countering the champion seemingly at will. While Pacquiao was perhaps landing more punches, the classier work in the 3rd, 4th and 5th rounds certainly came from the Mexican. While Pacquiao’s best round of the fight was the 6th, Marquez picked it up in the 7th, 8th and 9th, landing beautiful uppercuts and counter rights in the process. After the 10th, which I scored to Pacquiao, I had it 6 rounds to 4 and, with Marquez taking the 11th and Pacquiao the 12th; I had it 115-113 Marquez. While this scorecard may seem close, the fight itself wasn’t. Pacquiao scrapped by winning his rounds, many of which could feasibly be scored to Marquez, whereas the Mexican won his rounds big. The only clear-cut rounds for Pacquiao from where I was sitting were the 1st, 6th and 12th. It is not inconceivable that Juan Manuel Marquez took the rest.

After the fight and the resulting controversy, I decided to re-watch the pair’s previous encounters to find out why Pacquiao has so much trouble with Marquez.

The first reason is quiet simple. Manny Pacquiao, for all his talents, has major problems with Juan Manuel Marquez’s counterpunching style. When the two meet head on in the ring, Pacquiao often gets the better of proceedings. This is highlighted particularly well in their first fight back in 2004. In the first round Marquez raced to the centre of the ring eager to fight Pacquiao head on to prove he was the stronger man. Barely 90 seconds had passed before Pacquiao had the Mexican on his backside after a trademark straight left found the target. While Marquez didn’t appear to be greatly hurt, Pacquiao rushed in with 4 straight lefts, the last of which put Marquez down for a second time. The Mexican rose to his feet once more but didn’t stay there for long, another Pacquiao left sent him scrambling on the ropes, and, with Manny hitting Marquez on the way down, it looked all over. Marquez did indeed survive the first round onslaught but, with a broken nose and already four points behind on the cards, it was obvious a change was needed. This change came in the third round. Marquez began to stand out of range of Pacquiao’s dangerous bombs, forcing Manny to leap in with shots. Marquez, a great counterpuncher in his own right, began picking Pacquiao’s onslaughts off with ease, something which continued for the majority of the fight. While Pacquiao struggled to make the necessary adjustments, Marquez continued picking off his man, wrapping up round after round on both mine, and the judges, scorecards.

Another reason Pacquiao struggles with the Mexican warrior can be put down to Ring IQ. While there is no doubting Pacquiao’s greatness, I do not regard him as an intelligent boxer. When fighting opponents who come forward at him like Antonio Margarito, Miguel Cotto and Britain’s Ricky Hatton, the Filipino sensation looks unbeatable. However, when Pacquiao is forced to think about his shots, he becomes increasingly unorganised and less effective. While this was clearly seen in the pound for pound king’s showdown with Sugar Shane Mosley, Pacquiao’s latest fight with the Mexican Marquez clearly highlighted the problem. Marquez had no trouble stepping slightly out of range and measuring his man, all the while thinking three or four punches down the line. Pacquiao, despite the addition of a right hand to his ever growing arsenal of punches, still remains uncomfortable on the outside, and doesn’t really know how to initiate an assault without lunging in and committing himself. While Pacquiao often landed more punches than his opponent during these onslaughts, it was Marquez who was always producing the classier work, something which should catch the eye of the ringside judges.

A final reason why I believe Pacquiao struggles with Marquez is entirely mental. While their clash of styles will always provide an even fight, Marquez has been able to get into the head of the Filipino. Ever since the pair’s first encounter which ended in a controversial draw, Marquez has campaigned somewhat religiously for a rematch. After their 2008 rematch, Marquez, convinced he had clearly won on points, cried out of a third fight, something Pacquiao declined in the post fight interview. Marquez however, was incensed, and even travelled to the Philippians campaigning for yet another shot at Pacquiao. He infamously wore a lime green t-shirt with ‘Marquez Beat Pacquiao Twice’ written on the front. Pacquiao became hostile to Marquez and, with their third fight signed, he embarked on a training camp described as ‘his most intense yet’ by his trainer Freddie Roach. Marquez, it seemed, had not only done enough to talk his way into a third fight, but he had also proceeded to aggravate Pacquiao enough to drag him out of his comfort zone. While Pacquiao was ready for war, Marquez was happy to stand on the outside and counterpunch at will.

Beyond all doubt, their first three fights were controversial and exciting enough to merit a fourth and final showdown. While Pacquiao may officially be 2-0-1 with the great Mexican, many fans have it much closer. Personally, I scored their first fight a 113-113 draw, with Pacquiao winning the 2nd fight by a 115-113 margin. As I’ve already stated, I feel Marquez won the most recent fight 115-113. That means this observer not only has the terrific trilogy 1-1-1, but their points tally overall also matches up. While Marquez has won more rounds on my scorecard, Pacquiao has countered this with his four knockdowns over their three fights.

Fans on both sides may argue against a further rematch. Pacquiao’s fans often point out that the Filipino has now beaten Marquez twice, while Mexicans argue that their hero has in fact won each of the three fights without being given a decision. They simply argue what is the point of another fight when it is clear Marquez will not get a decision. For me, a fourth fight is not only a necessity for both fighters; a change of scenery is also needed. The fight would be huge in a Mexican 60,000 seat stadium. It is debatable if Pacquiao’s team will risk going south of the boarder for a fourth and final fight. But Floyd Mayweather aside, Pacquiao is running out of opponents willing to fight him. One thing is certain, Marquez will accept the challenge if the fight is laid in his lap. Will he be given a decision in a close fight? Well, we will have to wait and see.

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@dvano1 people!!!

Do you want to see a 4th fight? How do you have the trilogy?

Vano-Irons · Nov 29, 2011

Ooh, by the way, extra points if you can guess the poster who text me at 6AM after the fight

Lazarus · Nov 29, 2011

Vano, you spelt Margarito wrong. Seventh Paragraph down, 2nd line.

You're welcome. :smooch

Bajingo · Nov 29, 2011

I thought Pacquiao nicked the first fight but it could have gone either way, JMM took the 2nd but again it was close, and that Marquez clearly took the 3rd. I had it 116-112 as a lot of other people did.

I'm sot sure about a 4th fight since despite getting the better of the trilogy so far he's yet to have an official victory over Pacquiao. If the judge in the first fight had scored the first round correctly Pac would have won all 3 times. I don't know what would be different about a 4th fight.

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Ooh, by the way, extra points if you can guess the poster who text me at 6AM after the fight
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LP

Spearmint Rhino · Nov 29, 2011

1. Marquez 113-112
2. Marquez 115-112
3. Marquez 116-112

:-(

Thomas!! · Nov 29, 2011

pac won /thread

Bajingo · Nov 29, 2011

Thomas!! said: ↑

pac won /thread
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Vano-Irons · Nov 29, 2011

Lazarus said: ↑

Vano, you spelt Margarito wrong. Seventh Paragraph down, 2nd line.

You're welcome. :smooch
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Poxy Mexican names

Bajingo said: ↑

I thought Pacquiao nicked the first fight but it could have gone either way, JMM took the 2nd but again it was close, and that Marquez clearly took the 3rd. I had it 116-112 as a lot of other people did.

I'm sot sure about a 4th fight since despite getting the better of the trilogy so far he's yet to have an official victory over Pacquiao. If the judge in the first fight had scored the first round correctly Pac would have won all 3 times. I don't know what would be different about a 4th fight.

LP
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That didnt take long

Vano-Irons · Nov 29, 2011

Thomas!! said: ↑

pac won /thread
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too many big words in the article?

Vano-Irons · Nov 29, 2011

Spearmint Rhino said: ↑

1. Marquez 113-112
2. Marquez 115-112
3. Marquez 116-112

:-(
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Would you therefore like to see a 4th? Or are you in the 'what's the point' catogory?

ciaran · Nov 29, 2011

Vano-Irons said: ↑

Would you therefore like to see a 4th? Or are you in the 'what's the point' catogory?
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after being on the wrongside of 2 decsions to manny which should of went juan's way why would he wanna step into the ring for a 4th showdown to possibly get shafted again??

personally i dont wanna see it if juans gonna get shafted again just to keep the dim chance of the mayweather fight comming off

Vano-Irons · Nov 29, 2011

ciaran said: ↑

after being on the wrongside of 2 decsions to manny which should of went juan's way why would he wanna step into the ring for a 4th showdown to possibly get shafted again??

personally i dont wanna see it if juans gonna get shafted again just to keep the dim chance of the mayweather fight comming off
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How about in Mexico City like i suggested?

ciaran · Nov 29, 2011

Vano-Irons said: ↑

How about in Mexico City like i suggested?
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well maybe vano but that will never happen top rank will win the purse bids imo. so it will either be in vegas or dallas

i wanna see a 4th fight just for juan to get the decsion what he deserves. i suppose it will probably happen because theres **** all out there for pacquiao in the welterweight division and apart from a mayweather showdown or a 4th fight with marquez at another catchweight to settle the score

chatty · Nov 29, 2011

I had Pacquiao winning the first by one point, the three knockdowns really making the difference as Marquez won more rounds. i think again I had Pacquaio winning the second by one point but in both cases i don't mind anyone disputing them as they were both close with some very close rounds to score.

The third fight I had Marquez winning wide, after watching again (without copious amounts of alcohol in my system) I had it closer but still a clear Marquez victory.

I would watch a fourth fight as I enjoyed all three fights but i wouldn't blame Marquez if he didn't want it as it's clear the judges prefer Pacquaio's style (or worse if you want to look at it that way). I'd still prefer to see the Mayweather/pacquaio fight first but failing that i don't see any better realistic fights to make at or around the weight.

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