Manny Pacquiao is arguably Top 15 of all time in ATG rankings

I basically agree with you guys. Floyd could be anywhere between 5 and low-thirties all time depending on criteria, but whatever it is, he's ahead of Manny unless "loses don't count" is part of the criteria.


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Floyd has remained unbeaten through nearly 50 fights, five weight classes, 24 past present or future world champions, and a ton of ranked opponents. There are some who will go to any length to slander his opposition. But there's no getting around that he's probably just about the best fighter of most current boxing fan's lifetimes.

 

I'd rate them both fairly closely and I agree that Floyd should be rated a bit higher than Pac because of his win against him. Up until that time I thought Pac was slightly ahead of Floyd but even though this was more or less a meaningless fight in terms of H2h in their primes, so to me it meant who should rank higher than the other. As to their rankings, I'd say both are in the top 20.

 

I don't see why his loss to Floyd would keep him from being above. Floyd is after all the bigger man. Hearns annihilated Duran, but that doesn't mean he ranks above (he ranks below). Benitez toyed with Duran at times, but we all still have Floyd above. Pryor beat Arguello, Sanchez beat Gomez and Pea beat Chavez (on a sane, uncorrupted card) much more decisively etc, etc.

Floyd outpointed Pac (not on my card when I saw it live, though) without doing any damage.

Not saying it's wrong to have Floyd above (personally I don't know for sure who I'd rank higher), but his win against Pac isn't decisive criteria imo.

 

It's not decisive but it's one factor to consider, especially if it's a close call prior to the fight, and/or especially if one things that this would be the same result in their primes. (I'm not saying it would because I simply don't know) but those who are convinced that the outcome would be the same, would very likely rate Floyd higher than Pac.

I'm not a huge Mayweather fan, but I don't really like the fact that fights are deemed meaningless. If the outcome is meaningless then why are we even watching them?

 

This stuff about Pacquiao not being meant to compete at WW is nonsense. Really you could say the same about Floyd. Manny had been rehydrating to WW for years while at the lower weights. He's a small WW no doubt. But, he was the bigger guy at the lower weights. At 16, he hadn't even grown into an adult frame yet.

The thing about Pacquiao is that he never had an amateur career, which is the remarkable thing, considering how far he was able to go. He was tough, physically gifted with speed and heavy hands and usually had the size advantage up until about JWW.


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I'm guessing these wins and the number of wins might put Pac above Floyd:
Barrera (x2)
Morales (x2)
Marquez (x2)

Pac went 6-2-1 against a murderer's row of featherweights/lightweights. The draw against JMM should've been a win and one of his victories over JMM (fight #3) could've been a loss.

 

So because a guy twice his opponents size wins by a measly decision you think that gives Floyd the edge ?.... how about we put Floyd in with Tyson Fury and see how he goes..... no decision there... the big useless looking pom knocks Floyd out but proves nothing... you cannot use their fight as proof... to do so is being blind.

 

And there lies the rub... how on earth doesn't the so called greatest fighter of our time not knock out such a tiny little puffed up FLYWEIGHT ??? I just don't get that. Anyway I will say Manny is above Floyd because his achievements outweigh Floyd's it is as simple as that..... more titles many more weight classes... it simply should not be humanly possible to be small enough to win a world Flyweight title yet beat a prime Cotto or even a much lesser welter like Hatton..end of story.

 

I suppose if you only comprehend 1/2 of my point you're going to arrive at goofy conclusion which is exactly what you've done. I'm not in either the Floyd camp or the Pac camp but certainly that fight mattered. I was actually very disappointed that Pac didn't due better as l was hoping he would win. But to me neither's comp or achievements is drastically better than the others. I think Pac's early career was better than Floyd's while Floyd's later career was better than Pac's.

 

probably 70 fighters have a case, Harada ??? well no way unless you want to Put Rose in that Top 15, Lionel was clearly a much better fighter and no sane person has him in any top 15 list except of course top 15 Australians where he easily sits somewhere between number 3 to 9.

 

No, it's not meaningless. But if two ATG meet you'd expect the bigger one to come out on top. I certainly did and was surprised by how well Pac performed. Even more so when I later heard of his torn rotated cuff.

Coming out second to Marquez over their four meetings certainly hurts him, though.

 

I agree. But l was honestly disappointed in Pac's performance l thought he would have pressured him more than he did. And size has rarely been a factor for Pac he beat lots of fights Floyd's size. And yes the losses to JMM hurt his legacy. Too bad because the was clearly winning that last fight prior to getting KO'd.

 

I don't think anyone expected Floyd to beat Manny that easily. Anyone who thought it was a close fight was lost in the moment.


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