Manny Pacquiao is arguably Top 15 of all time in ATG rankings

Almost everyone I saw had Floyd as a clear favorite. I certainly thought he'd beat him more decisively. Marquez did in their last two meetings, so why shouldn't Floyd?

Sometime I have to score the snooze fest again, and perhaps then I'll find that Floyd did peck himself to a clear points victory. But unlike Morales and Marquez he did it in that case without ruffling a feather on the already injured Pac. Why wouldn't a more decisive victory, with some actual damage done, be expected?

 

I look at dominance, not physical damage inflicted, when looking at Floyd's fights. He won a 9-3 type type decision that was completely fought on his terms. The injury was bull****, which is why Pac struggled from the opening bell without any drop off after the 4th. If you want physical damage, watch a Margarito fight.

The last time Floyd hurt anyone by my count was Ortiz. Probably because he's been...wait for it...past prime for several years. Even Hopkins was getting the old-guy excuse when he lost to Taylor.

Somehow Pacquiao's age and two pound weight disadvantage made the result of that fight null.

 

Mayweather doesn't even register on Pacquiao's legacy radar. That's the mistake some fans make.

Pacquiao made his career off of Barrera, Marquez and Morales. Throw in Ledwaba and Cotto into that mix as a supplement package.

No fighter is defined by a fight 6 years after their prime. It's silly.

 

This.

I would like to see how he would have got on with same day weigh in's. It's ridiculous when a guy can weigh in at 126 and enter the ring at 143 - 145.

That said I have heard that both Clottey, and Margarito often weighed in at 147 and by fight time were nearer 170 than 160.:huh

 

Pacqiuao rehydrated to 135ish when he was fighting at 126 pounds.

 

Source? I don't buy that he did that during the tail end of his time there.

 

He only had 3 fights at 126. I couldn't find he rehydration weights at 126 online, looked for it, but couldn't find it. Since his first fight at 130 he came in at 139 it seems unlikely that he was coming in at 145 during his 126 days.

 

You know the injury was for real, how much it impacted him when he was on painkillers is another thing. But the injury is a fact.

Leonard and Duran was the same weight when they met, same with Hearns and Duran. Still it is widely accepted that Duran was the smaller man than both. Same here, even though the difference is smaller.

And, yes, Floyd rarely do any damage anymore, but he delivered even less than usual on Pac.

And if you consider it a 9-3 to Floyd (I sure didn't), it shows his greatness even more. I for one don't buy into Pac being way past his prime. He looked disinterested for Marquez III and Bradley I (but still clearly beat Bradley), but when he's on most of the stuff seem to be there. Beating today's Pac is no mean feat.

 

The injury was an excuse. It existed but was rarely mentioned in previous fights. A rotator injury is practically defined by range of motion and he was still using the arm. Watch Vitali-Byrd and you'll notice that Vitali could do little other than throw weak, measuring type jabs and not lift his arm.

If you age adjust, Floyd was 130 at the age when Manny was 126. And they both settled at welter for the long run. It's a small difference and Manny has the age advantage.


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Pacquiao left 122 1 month before he turned 25. He was 122 at 24 years old and Floyd was 135 at 24 or 25 years old. I think Mayweather went to 135 sometime around then.

 

I'm pretty sure Floyd was at 130 while 24 and Pac fought at 126 while 24. Regardless, you're talking about two fighters whose longterm comfort zone was 147, both of whom looked worse at 154, and both of whom were top two or three in the sport for several years until the time of their fight.


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Why the arbitrary age of 24? Pac fought at 122 at 24 also. Why not pick age 23 or 25 or 21 or 27? Just picking that random number of 24 seems odd.

Are you trying to imply that Mayweather wasn't much bigger than Pacquiao? Because that's not true, he was noticeably the naturally bigger man.

 

My point is that a lot is made of Manny's flyweight days. He was really really young back then and mostly taking obscure fights in place of the traditional am route. He wasn't a mature fighter back then and wasn't regarded as being very good. He did win a title down there, but didn't really start making much noise until Ledwaba and wasn't elite until Barrera. Floyd fought at lower weights in the ams which I stated earlier in the thread.

Floyd and Manny are fighters who spent years in top condition at welter. If Manny can drop lower, he hasn't despite plenty of opportunity at 140 over last half-decade. You don't get extra points for being stumpy. No one gives extra points to Hatton and Tua.

Both deserve credit for weight climbing. The DLH talks sounded like pipe dreams for each and they both made it happen. There's more parallel than disparity between the two as far as size is concerned.

 

I'm with you Gannicus.

 

Exactly but try telling that to mindless drones also known as Mayweather fans.