Manny Pacquiao is now Top 15 ATG!!!

Wait...where do you have Pacquiao currently?

 

So 21?

So beating Cotto is going to result in his jumping 6 spots on your list?

Put...down...the crack pipe.

 

I don't think even Sam Langford's 19th round KO of Harry Wills would carry him six spots up a pound for pound list. Cotto is nothing like as good as Wills. You're basically saying if Pacquiao KO's Cotto he is 25% greater than currently.

 

Ah, the intangible that is "timelessness". Sort of like the same "whatever the ****" criteria that allows Bert Sugar to put Jack Dempsey in his all time top ten pound for pound.

Fair enough. As long as you stipulate that it's a list sprinkled with fairy dust, I don't really mind.

 

But the lists which are beholden to it generally make no sense. It certaily doesn't make sense to me. Go wandering into the Classic forum with a list based on "timelessness" or "wider impact" and you will be carried out feet first.

Timelessness is about perception rather than reality. It's about feelings rather than facts. It explains your list and Pacquiao's ability to leap 25% up an ATG top 20 by beating one strap-holder. It's fine, you've explained it at least. It's not something I would take seriously though.

 

Like LEAPING 20 places based upon one result? You're overestimating active fighters because they are active. You see a big result and you imagine a big impact. But see the guys above these guys on the list? They aren't static. You should be learning about them too. You have Pacquiao above McLarnin. If you bothered to learn about McLarnin you would dig out his KO1 result over Young Corbett III. You know nothing about this fighter or that fight. I will tell you that this result is better than any result that Pacquiao has. But even THIS result doesn't propel McLarnin any 20 spots up any list. Take it away from him and he's probably still above Pacquiao.

But I guess he's not timeless enough for you.