" Manny Pacquiao is overrated""

I thought you have high IQ?

I already stated it. I don't intend to give my comment on a worthless thread. I don't intend to lower my standards to debate on topic that should not even be debated upon. The thread starter is a troll, nothing more. If you start criticizing me, start with the thread. But you won't because obviously birds of the same feather flock together.

Do you know what the term

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" (if you don't, just look it up in the wiki, it might enlighten you)? Just look at the guys resume and look at who he defeated. Now if you think he is overrated, then no debate can change your small-minded mind.

But to oblige you : I will just paste one that I posted earlier from another thread :

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There are times when we like an athlete so much that we want things to happen that are almost impossible for him/her to achieve. And like a destiny, this happened to Manny Pacquiao. He won a historic seven world titles in seven weight divisions; four of which were lineal titles and all of them came from a knock out win against the world champion and claimant. Here are some interesting statistics why Manny is such a legendary fighter. And like the saying goes; "Some men lie, some women lie, but

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Elite Club of Multiple Division World Champions w/ at least 4:
7 - Manny Pacquiao (112, 122, 126, 130, 135, 140, 147)

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6 - Oscar DeLa Hoya (130, 135, 140, 147, 154, 160)
5 - Thomas Hearns (147, 154, 160, 168, 175)
5 - Sugar Ray Leonard (147, 154, 160, 168, 175)
5 - Floyd Mayweather Jr. (130, 135, 140, 147, 154)
4 - Roberto Duran (135, 147, 154, 160)
4 - Pernell Whitaker (135, 140, 147, 154)
4 - Leo Gomez (105, 108, 112, 115)
4 - Roy Jones Jr. (160, 168, 175, 200+)

Elite Club of Multiple Awardee of Ring Figther of the Year w/ at least 3:
5 - Muhhamad Ali - 1963, 1972, 1974, 1975, 1978
4 - Joe Louis - 1936, 1938, 1939, 1941
3 - Joe Frazier - 1967, 1970, 1971
3 - Evander Holyfield - 1987, 1996, 1997
3 - Manny Pacquiao - 2006, 2008, 2009

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Elite Club of Multiple Awardee of BWAA Figther of the Year w/ at least 3:
3 - Muhhamad Ali - 1965, 1974, 1975
3 - Joe Frazier - 1969, 1971, 1975
3 - Sugar Ray Leonard - 1976, 1979, 1981
3 - Evander Holyfield - 1990, 1996, 1997
3 - Manny Pacquiao - 2006, 2008, 2009

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Comparing Manny Pacquiao among the Ring top-10 ATG Fighters:

Career W-L-D Record:
Joe Louis =========== 66-3-0 ======= 0.957
Willie Pep =========== 229-11-1 ===== 0.950
Muhhamad Ali ======== 56-5-0 ======= 0.918
Manny Pacquiao ====== 51-3-2 ======= 0.911

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Sugar Ray Leonard ==== 36-3-1 ======= 0.900
Pernell Whitaker ====== 40-4-1 ======= 0.889
Sugar Ray Robinson === 175-19-6 ===== 0.875
Harry Greb ========== 260-20-18 ==== 0.872
Roberto Duran ======= 103-16-0 ===== 0.866
Benny Leonard ======= 184-19-11 ==== 0.860
Henry Armstrong ===== 149-21-10 ==== 0.828

KO Percentage:
Joe Louis ============= 75.36%
Manny Pacquiao ======== 67.86%

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Sugar Ray Leonard ====== 62.50%
Muhhamad Ali ========== 60.66%
Roberto Duran ========= 58.85%
Henry Armstrong ======= 56.11%
Sugar Ray Robinson ===== 54.00%
Pernell Whitaker ======== 36.96%
Willie Pep ============= 26.97%
Benny Leonard ========= N/A
Harry Greb ============ N/A

Peak Record:
Harry Greb ============ 258-18-18
Benny Leonard ========= 184-18-11
Willie Pep ============= 134-1-1
Sugar Ray Robinson ===== 128-1-2
Henry Armstrong ======= 108-12-8
Roberto Duran ========= 72-1-0
Joe Louis ============= 58-1-0
Muhhamad Ali ========== 55-2-0
Manny Pacquiao ======== 51-3-2

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Pernell Whitaker ======== 40-1-1
Sugar Ray Leonard ====== 35-1-1

Number of HOF'er Defeated:
Harry Greb ------------------ 13
Norfolk, Tunney, Blackburn, Dillon, Flowers, Walker, Loughran, Miske,
Levinskey, M. Gibbons, Rosenbloom, Slattery, T. Gibbons
Sugar Ray Robinson -------- 10
Armstrong, LaMotta, Fullmer, Gavilan, Basilio, Graziano,
Zivic, Turpin, Angott, Olson
Henry Armstrong ----------- 10
Wolgast, Ross, Angott, Ambers, Jenkins, Zivic,
Montanez, Bass, Wright, Arizmendi
Joe Louis -------------------- 8
Schmeling, Sharkey, Conn, Walcott, Baer, Braddock,
Lewis, Bivins
Muhhamad Ali --------------- 7
Foster, Moore, Frazier, Foreman, Liston, Patterson, Norton
Benny Leonard -------------- 7
Tendler, Kansas, Dundee, Ritchie, Britton,
Kilbane, Welsh
Manny Pacquiao ------------- 6

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Barrera, Morales, Marquez, DeLa Hoya, Cotto, Hatton
*Assuming all makes it in IBHOF
Sugar Ray Leonard --------- 4
Duran, Benitez, Hagler, Hearns
Roberto Duran -------------- 4
Leonard, Cuevas, Palomino, Buchanan
*De Jesus & Marcel have strong chances though
Willie Pep ------------------- 3
Saddler, Ortiz, Wright
Pernell Whitaker ------------ 2
Nelson, Ramirez

Average of Opponent's Record:
Ranking by Percentage:
Muhhamad Ali ========== 33-5-1 ======= 0.850
Pernell Whitaker ======== 28-4-1 ======= 0.850
Sugar Ray Leonard ====== 32-5-1 ======= 0.840
Manny Pacquiao ======== 24-4-1 ======= 0.830

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Roberto Duran ========= 21-5-1 ======== 0.780
Joe Louis ============= 40-10-3 ======= 0.755
Sugar Ray Robinson ===== 39-14-4 ======= 0.684
Henry Armstrong ======= 40-14-6 ====== 0.667
Willie Pep ============= N/A
Harry Greb ============ N/A
Benny Leonard ========= N/A

Average of Opponent's Record:
Ranking by No. of Wins minus No. of Losses:
Joe Louis ============= 40-10-3
Muhhamad Ali ========== 33-5-1
Sugar Ray Leonard ====== 32-5-1
Henry Armstrong ======= 40-14-6
Sugar Ray Robinson ===== 39-14-4
Pernell Whitaker ======== 28-4-1
Manny Pacquiao ======== 24-4-1

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Roberto Duran ========= 21-5-1
Willie Pep ============= N/A
Harry Greb ============ N/A
Benny Leonard ========= N/A

Pacquiao's Other Statistics:
World Title Fights Record: 13-1-2
Number of Defeated World Champions: 12
Longest Win streak w/o a draw: 15
First Held a World Title at age: 19
Last Held a World Title at age: 31 (present)
Never fought a 0-0-0 fighter

I really hope that that data would not overrun you mental capacity.

You might agree with it because I surely don't agree 100 per cent. But those are not even my reasearch as I can not bother justifying how great Pac is. Let history judge that. I enjoy his fights now, but I am sure he is not going to be treated like soem garbage when he retires. His legacy is already cast in solid steel.

 

A combination of Roach's strategics, Pacquiao's hard work, and good business by Top Rank got Pac where he is. The first of the three is underestimated by people who say he's overrated because they don't realize that Pac doesn't fight the same fight against all of his opponents. His camp dissects everyone put in front of them - made evident by their resume.

 

Okay, relax, Ph. I didn't say he wasn't great. Crying out loud, I know Manny's accomplishments already.

 

thread closed.

 

YES YOU DID ARGGDGGDGGDSKGLJAT$#$#(%$*!VD :fire

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Pejevan - You're nothing if not thorough.

 

hey pejevan dude, nice research you got there. Solid post.

 

How can the number 1 p4p champion be overrated :huh

 

You know what, man? I like reading you fighting against philla than reading the title of this thread. :yep

 

Exactly who over-rates Manny Pacquiao? The *******s? That's a given. But when it's boxing historians and biggies in the industries are saying it, they've got more credibility than any poster here on ESB.

Currently, IMO, Pac's ATG rating can be as high as the teens and as low as the 20s.

Here's what some historians say:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lx_DH7mOno[/ame]


Manny Steward @ 5:21

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9SPFvUWVG0[/ame]


Care to argue with these 2? Show me your boxing resume and I'll try not choke on my own laughter.

 

"Some men lie, some women lie, but numbers don't"

 

Bert Sugar is a great character but he also...says things...that...ah, never mind. ...The man has Jack Johnson at 10 and Roy Jones Junior at 88TH. ****'s sake.

 

Overated? Pacquiao? Your brave.You have to rate him highly come on,Pacquiao has great prowess from his flyweight days up to his welterweight staus and soundly beaten a lot along the way up, Mayweather hasn`t looked as good as that imo.But he`s really still got something to prove at 147lbs but overall,brilliant.

 

Because everyone else below him is more overrated that him.