Manny Pacquiao is the GOAT.

Who do you have as goat

 

Of course records matter, even more so than wrestling. In wrestling opponents face each other much more often and the results go back and fourth in any given year. In boxing all we have is records to be able to compare fighters. An simple eye test and padded records don't mean much. I think records against former and current world champions have the most weight. Pac and Mayweather consistently fought and beat the best fighters. Mayweather has a better record.

 

Yeah, I've been watching Pac ever since he fought Ledwaba. I think he is phenomenal. I just don't think he's goat or as great as Mayweather, that's all. The sport has a lot of great fighters. However if that's who you want to ride for go for it. However, if you are trying to talk like it's clear cut for Pac it's not.

I remember when the whole steriods issue was being brought up it was Pac fans that pointed out Mayweather's hypocrisy because he was competing in the same weight classes as an amateur at a younger age.

 

What's the last part go to do with the topic at hand?

 

If it helps I think there are fighters that are greater than both Pac and Mayweather.

 

No, I don't really care about your opinion. It's just nice to discuss boxing.

 

Lol, so says the person that keeps quoting my messages.

 

Muhammad Ali has only one division because he's heavyweight, so Manny must be greater right? RJJ went from middleweight to heavyweight which is a greater accomplishment IMHO. In tiny divisions, 3 pounds difference between them.

Thurman overrated (big win is Porter, maybe Garcia). Mosley was way past his prime and schooled by Mayweather. Fought DLH at worse than catchweight, forced to fight at a weight he had not fought in almost a decade. Past prime Morales beat him. Barrera his best win.

Pac isn't even the best of his era. And the best of the era (FMJ) isn't even top 10 and maybe not even top 20.

 

I'm discussing boxing with you. When I said that I didn't care about your opinion, I meant I'm not trying to convince you either way, but I'm happy to plead my case.

 

I think Pac is phenomenal. All I'm pointing out is that Mayweather has a great case as well. Now if it's about who I find more impressive then everything you wrote about Pac is why I find him more impressive. To me Pac had a steeper mountain to climb, coming from poverty and the first in his family to box. Just because I don't think he reached the same pinnacle doesn't mean I think any less of him. I think every great boxer has something admiral about them which is why I follow the sport more than any one fighter.

 

Did you know he done that most the time to the opposition, only this time he found a snowflake cuck that listened and just went with it

 

It’s cuck reading material, that’s all. You telling me you read someone’s opinion and that’s what you go with

 

Mayweather hasn’t the weight climb of manny, so he has to be marked down in comparison on that and his 0 is great but there’s swerves in there or calculated decisions

 

Pac.

 

Pacquiao's a brilliant fighter and a real credit to the sport, can't be written off completely in most elite H2H matches in the weight classes he fought in, but no, he really isn't the GOAT. Also yes, to the eternal sighs of many of you here, it has to be framed against his contemporaries and particularly Floyd Mayweather. I don't need to bother with mentioning other top 10-15 ATGs here, it's not necessary to evoke performances from SRR, Greb, Leonard etc. This might look like I'm sh itting on Pac's legacy but here's why he's not the dominant fighter of his era.

The de la Hoya fight needed to be at 154. That would have been a boon to his legacy, even if it came after Floyd's win. I understand how they wanted to capitalise on Oscar's decline and wanted to make a statement but that was bullsh it. I've no idea what Oscar was thinking dropping weight like that, but honestly that's where the mythology started - that fight against the remains of Oscar. Mayweather beat Oscar at 154, he jumped weight and put up with all his demands. Why did Pac fight Cotto at 144? Another blemish, an in house fight - before anybody asks why they fought first. Cotto left Mayweather's crusty jilted ex-promoter and the fight was made INSTANTLY. Pac never pushed to fight Canelo while he was still in 147-154 territory, and tbh I don't blame him, if Horn could pressure him and make it a tough night then Canelo could do the same. Triangle theory doesn't always bear fruit in boxing but it's not outlandish to suggest he couldn't have dealt with Canelo at 147-154.

Why was Roach telling Mosley they wouldn't fight unless it was at 142? Source - https://news.abs-cbn.com/sports/05/17/09/roach-wants-mosley-pacquiao-142-pounds. They knew they had to wait him out for a few more years. In reality, he waited until Floyd dealt with Mosley comprehensively. Pacquiao fought Algieri, Rios, Vargas, Matthysse and Broner in recent years. Thurman is a name but he was inactive and looked sh it on his comeback. Who do we have left at this point in their crossover era? Comparisons in how they dealt with Marquez? That won't end well.


From the same article - “Even 50-50 with Mayweather is nonsense,” said Pacquiao’s promoter Bob Arum.

With a promoter like that, who needs enemies?