Manny Pacquiao...is the resume really as great as its made out to be???

It doesn't matter who was the under dog in a fight like this, because hardly ANYONE, not you, nor me, nor most people expected DLH to be as deteriorated and weight drained as he was that night.

It's like ****IN saying that Boxer A who was the underdog had a GREAT victory or boxer B, even though boxer B came into the fight with two broken hands.

Oh, no better yet, what do you think about Castillo's unofficial victory over PBF??? Didn't YOU claim that Mayweather had a sore ****in RIB??!!

 

Manny Pacquiao's resume is vastly overrated.

I've been following boxing for nearly for the better half of my life, and I remember a time when fighters wouldn't get too much credit for beating the **** out of old, shot, or past prime fighters.

Perfect example is:

Camacho vs Leonard
Trinidad vs Camacho
De La Hoya vs Chavez
Martell vs Taylor

We never gave these fighters as much credit for those wins than what Pac gets for his wins vs Barrera, Morales and DLH.

When Trinidad beat Camacho, Camacho had been fighting for TWELVE YEARS! That's alot of ring wear.

When Oscar beat Chavez, Chavez had been fighting for TWELVE years too!

Now for good reasons, Tito and DLH only got very little credit for these wins. Hell the version of Chavez that DLH beat was better than the version of MAB and EM EASY and by a wide margin.

But when Pac beat DLH, DLH had been pro for SIXTEEN YEARS!
Barrera had been pro for FOURTEEN and EIGHTEEN YEARS!!!
Morales had been through many wars in his 12 YEAR career by the time he fought and kicked Pac's ass! It wasn't untill Morales' 13th year that he lost to Pac.

So Pac's legacy mostly consists of beating fighters at the twilight of their long careers.

That is what I call, great managing and marketing, but not great legacy.

Beating old fighters is fine, but when people (*******s) start ranking Pac Top 20, 15, 10 and even #1 ATG for beating old fighters, it is just plain ridiculous and pathetic.

 

Come on *******s, don't stop now.

 

Thats what they call excuses. Their proffesional's. Thats like saying RJJ dont deserve credit for Toney because Toney never prepared well, or SRL for Duran cos Duran never prepared well. Preparations...its all part of the game, not Pac's fault DLH failed on his part. The important thing is the odds before the fight, and defying those odds. Anything thereafter is just excuses.

 

That's like saying ODLH should be P4P#1 ATG because he beat Chavez, Camacho, and Whitaker.

But well all know that those three greats weren't at their best.

How the **** can you give Oscar that much credit for beating fighters at the twilight of their careers???

Same thing with Pac...Difference is that Pac's opponents were inferior to DLH's and had more mileage.

Do you really think that Pac beating DLH who had been fighting for 16 years, had to drop to a weight class unfamiliar for him for 10 years is the same thing as to when SRL beat a Prime Duran???

No!

 

When Pac beat those ATG's, they were still very much the top guys of the division. Who else would he have fought that time? Give me the best fighter Pac could have fought that time instead of MAB, EM, JMM.

 

I'm not arguing that...

I'm just saying, that Pac's resume and legacy are vastly overrated.

I can prove it to you even more detailed if you're willing to listen and learn.

 

I've seen all the arguments already, no need for that. Its the same thing all over again, and we just have to agree to have disagreed. No need to this over and over again.:yep

 

Why do we have to agree to disagree...Make your case.... and have an open mind.

The worst thing I hate is when people make claims and do not back them up properly.

I heard you guys claim Pac is top 40, even 20 all time.

I heard you gus say Pac ranks higher than ODLH, but none have backed it up with facts. They are BASELESS calims.

Snell made a complete ASS of himself when I owned him.

 

Erroneous post full of misinformation aimed to clearly put one fighter down to make his favorite fighters look good by comparison.

Pacquiao's beaten TEN world champions, not 9. Cotto will be the 11th world champion he's fought.

Sasakul (Lineal/WBC 112)
Ledwaba (IBF 122)
A. Sanchez (WBO 122)
J.E. Julio (WBO 118
Barrera (WBO 122, Lineal/WBC 126, WBC 130)
Marquez (WBA/IBF 126, WBC 130, Lineal 135)
Morales (WBC/WBO 122, WBC 126, WBC/IBF 130)
Diaz (WBC 135)
De La Hoya (WBO 130, IBF/WBO 135, WBC 140, WBC 147, WBC/WBA 154, WBO 160)
Hatton (Lineal 140)
Cotto (WBO 140, WBA/WBO 147)


Then the next sentence is questionable: "Mayweather has wins over 5-7 or more hall of famers(more than pac's 4)." OK, name them.

The only undisputed ones I see are:
G. Hernandez
De La Hoya (whom Pac also has)
Marquez (whom Pac also has)

Still up for debate are:
Hatton (whom Pac also has)
Castillo
Corrales
Gatti

I think that the first 3 would be unanimous. The fact that you'd get some arguments against the induction for the last 4 show how weak your point is.

Meanwhile, yes, Pac has 4 wins over unanimous HOF like De La Hoya, Marquez, Morales, and Barrera. Then in the category for other HOF wins still up for debate we have Hatton and Sasakul. If he beats Cotto that would make 3 more debatable HOF on his resume.

Here's a question for you: What is your opinion if Mayweather takes on Saul Alvarez at 147?

 

Well, i cant understand why after all these debates(not necessarily you, but also between fans of different fighters) you still claim the *******s position as baseless. NOTHING will make you accept any argument presented to you as a basis. See, lets move on away from this very old and pointless topic:yep

 

Exactly. I think his opinion is coming from someone who's never been in the ring.:good

 

OP cleverly added this: "(every great fighter has one great fight left in them)".

 

Baseless. When *******s just claim random things for the hell of it.

Pac being P4P #1 ATG is baseless.
Pac being anywhere in the top 30 ATG is baseless.

I have proven time and time again that Pac is overrated, but you guys live in a fantasy world. When Pac retires or gets retired, your fantasy will be over and boxing will be a little more sane and less ignorant.

 

What would Floyd haters be saying about Floyd if his biggest fights were against fighters at the twilight of their careers?