Manny Pacquiao or Roy Jones Jr, who ranks higher all time?

Easily Pacquiao

 

Dariusz was a big omission from his resume. But he won the lineal title from Virgil Hill. Roy destroyed Virgil Hill. And he’d have destroyed him before Dariusz fought him had he have gotten the opportunity.

James Toney didn’t have 2 titles at SMW like what Dariusz had at LHW, but IMHO, he was a better fighter.

I’ve seen the video you have uploaded many times.

Roch was a good fighter, but nothing special. And that play acting by Dariusz was absolutely disgraceful. It was cringeworthy.

 

Alex Ariza is not a convicted ped distributer.

And I go back to the email. Everyone tried so hard to find a smoking gun with Pac. An email apparently surfaced that showed Pac was involved in it but it never surfaced, proving people tried to find a smoking gun but none was found.

This is very unlike JMM, floyd, Canelo, RJJ, Holyfield where people weren’t even looking but found. Whereas with Pac they tried so hard to look but couldn’t find a shred of evidence.

That’s the difference. And no Pac was never seen at the brothel, like I said, not a smoking gun. No failed tests, no hereditary, no shady USADA arrangement, no IVs. Even Thomas handset article which went after everyone had no evidence to bring forth to Pac.

There is literally 0 evidence with Pac.

 

Explain how a 40 year old boxer still has his legs and is overwhelming 20 year olds with his speed and explosiveness. That has literally never happened in the history of the sport.

 

Did you really say that the Ruiz - Holyfield series was “excellent”?! Son, you are not tall enough for this ride.

 

Personally, I’m convinced that Pac doped but there’s no need for you descend into hyperbole and exaggeration. Pac is not “overwhelming 20 year olds with his speed and explosiveness”. Just about everyone knows that Pac is no longer a 12 round fighter. He’s still a great athlete (relatively speaking) and a savvy vet capable of beating most but guys like Crawford, Porter and Spence would hurt him badly. Pac is now in the Hopkins zone: an elder statesman and living legend who can outthink and outfight a lot of his peers but definitely needs to rely on matchmaking and fighting in spurts to maintain winning ways. And for the record, Hopkins doped too.

 

Never said he had boundless stamina for 12 rounds. I'm aware that he fought in spurts. Pacquiao still has his leg speed and explosiveness at 40. I'm not exaggerating anything. He completely overwhelmed fighters like Algieri, Vargas, Broner, and Thurman with his speed despite the fact they're like a decade younger than him.

The legs are the 1st thing to go in boxing, speed is second. So I'll ask again in plain English: why is Pacquiao the ONLY 40 year old boxer in HISTORY to keep his legs and explosive speed?

Yeah I exaggerated but the post Lennox era was horrible and they were 2 of the best heavies on the planet willing to fight 3x to settle the score for a championship belt. Which is more than I can say for boxers nowadays.

The point being that Roy moving up from 168 to beat one of the best at heavyweight, a prime 31 year old champion, was a far more perilous task than Pacquiao taking on a 39 year old with a bum knee moving up from light weight whom he had already fought 3x.

You cannot make a logical argument for Marquez being more dangerous at 147 to Pacquiao than Ruiz at HW to Roy. Marquez had gotten out boxed by the mediocre Tim Bradley and was dropped and completely outclassed by a feather fisted Mayweather. The only reason people make a big deal out of this version of Marquez is because he whooped Pacquiao's ass. He wasnt beating any other top guys at 147. Thurman and Spence would have stopped him. Maidana would brutally knock him out. Brook and Khan would have out boxed him. He was too small and too old. But he knew how to beat Pacquiao and counter him after fighting him a million times.

 

I think its about equal but Pac still having success so late in his career gives him an edge.