Manny Pacquiao or Roy Jones Jr, who ranks higher all time?

Hopkins is grester than mab no discussion needed hopkins is a top 40 atg fighter at worst mab isn't anywhere near a top 40 atg
Stop!

 

But you're not backing up your claims. Hopkins didn't beat anybody at 160 besides Robert Allen 3 times.

 

He beat Tito who he was the underdog against who was supposed to take his head off. You know this man quit with this.

 

Pacman.

 

In retrospect nobody rates that win very high. Tito was a chubby 160. Who is a real 160 pounder that he beat? I've been saying Hopkins resume is overrated for years. That's what I think. He has a lot of ok contenders and ok guys on his resume, but he doesn't have any top notch fighters. Just decent guys.

GGG also beat Brook, but he was a Welterweight like Tito. When you are too big and too strong it becomes a huge advantage.

 

Any reasons you have Hopkins and Toney above MAB, JMM and Morales? 2 great fighters no doubt but their resumes leave alot to be desired. Bhops best win was against past it RJJ. Are you basing that off longevity or the longest middleweight title reign fighting nobody worthwhile? James Toneys best wins are against has beens Holyfield and McCallum and beating a very good fighter Michael Nunn but was no atg either?

 

The irony of him saying that Pac never beat anybody as good as Hopkins and Toney so he can't be better than Jones Jr. Well he beat Barrera who beat Hamed and Morales. So how can Hopkins and Toney be better than Barrera going by his own logic? When they never beat anybody as good as Morales?

 

Yes but at the time people believed tito to be a monster who was gonna destroy hopkins. Brooks was never seen as a monster and was a huge underdog against ggg big difference there.

 

Yea and Tito isn't seen as a monster at 160 anymore. This is the nature of boxing. Wins age poorly or greatly. Based on what the fighters do after they fight. This one has not aged well. It is what it is.

 

Hopkins best win is Jean Pascal and he barely scraped by that one. Or maybe a 9000 year old RJJ. Don't act like MAB isn't in his category.

 

How is B-Hop's best win the Roy Jones rematch? Makes ZERO sense to say that. Trinidad at 160 after demolishing Joppy was easily a superior fighter to a shot Jones. Plenty of others Hopkins beat were too. Jones was finished.

 

Yes but no one knew that until hopkins the underdog beat and upset tito. The tito win was huge one of the biggest of the last era.

 

Going with Manny on this one... one win over Toney and one over Hopkins early on, doesn't measure up against Manny over an entire career.

 

Resume alone by a mile.