Manny Pacquiao STILL # 1 - Ring Magazine

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  1. ptm

    ptm Active Member Full Member

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    The question: Where do we put Floyd Mayweather Jr. in THE RING pound-for-pound and welterweight ratings after his bizarre fourth-round knockout of Victor Ortiz on Saturday night in Las Vegas?


    The answer: Tough question.


    We’ll start off by saying that a decision in the pound-for-pound ratings was much easier to make than that in the welterweight
    division, where one Manny Pacquiao has resided for some time.


    Mayweather can’t leave boxing for 16 months, defeat a good (not special) opponent in a less-than-satisfying manner and expect to regain his status as the No. 1 fighter in the world. He’ll have to do more than that to earn it.
    We don’t approve of Pacquiao’s last three opponents, Joshua Clottey, Antonio Margarito and Shane Mosley, each of whom probably was less qualified to face the Filipino icon than Ortiz was to face Mayweather. However, Pacquiao has obliterated seven big-name opponents in the time Mayweather has done the same to three.
    Thus, there is no reason Mayweather should leap frog Pacquiao to the top. So it’s Pacquiao No. 1 and Mayweather No. 2 in the pound-for-pound ratings.
    Now on to the trickier question: What do we do about the welterweight division?
    Pacquiao and Mayweather have each had three welterweight fights over the past two years. Pacquiao has faced Miguel Cotto, Clottey and Mosley. Mayweather fought Juan Manuel Marquez, Mosley and Ortiz.


    Who faced stiffer competition? Cotto, Clottey and Mosley were rated Nos. 3, 5 and 3 by THE RING at the time they fought Pacquiao. Marquez, a beefed-lightweight, wasn’t rated at 147 pounds while a slightly better version of Mosley than Pacquiao faced and Ortiz were both rated No. 2 when they met Mayweather.


    Pacquiao has a slight edge there.


    Mayweather’s inactivity doesn’t work against him here as much as one might think because they both have had the three welterweight fights over roughly the same time period, Pacquaio 1 year, 10 months and Mayweather two years.
    That’s a push.
    Pacquiao biggest advantage is the fact he’s the incumbent, who can be overtaken only if he slips up or if your recent accomplishments are far superior to his. Neither of those criteria apply here.


    Pacquiao has dominated his opponents just as thoroughly as Mayweather has.



    So we can come to only one decision: Pacquiao remains at No. 1, with Mayweather a very close No. 2.


    We have an idea that would take this out of the hands of those who compile such rankings, though: Pacquiao and Mayweather should actually fight one another, which would determine once and for all who is the better boxer.


    Just a thought.

    RING RATINGS UPDATE
    Pound for pound: Mayweather enters at No. 2, pushing everyone previously at No. 2 and below down one notch and knocking Bernard Hopkins out of the Top 10. A victory over Chad Dawson on Oct. 15 could him put him right back in.


    Junior middleweight: Saul Alvarez remains at No. 3 after his sixth-round knockout of game but smallish Alfonso Gomez on Saturday night.


    Welterweight: Mayweather also enters at No. 2 here, pushing everyone down one place and No. 10 Selcuk Aydin out of the ratings.


    Junior welterweight: No. 7 Erik Morales made history by becoming the first Mexican to win major titles in a fourth weight division but opponent Pablo Cesar Cano wasn’t rated going into the fight. No. 6 Lamont Peterson is coming off a nice victory over Victor Cayo. Thus, Morales remains where he is.


    Featherweight: No. 8 Jhonny Gonzalez stopped Rogers Mtagwa in two rounds, his 10th consecutive knockout. However, he stays put because Mtagwa was not rated and has now lost three of his past four fights (albeit to Juan Manuel Lopez, Yuriorkis Gamboa and now Gonzalez).




    http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/169248-ring-ratings-update-whos-no-1
     
    ptm, Sep 19, 2011
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  2. tinorknitz

    tinorknitz Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why is Pac still #1 P4P?

    I can't believe this. Floyd defeated a high ranking young hungry lion in Ortiz with a very convincing LEGAL KO. Floyd should be on #1 spot.
     
    tinorknitz, Sep 19, 2011
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  3. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    I didn't exepect otherwise after Floyd's big layoff and the way the fight ended.
    Floyd was completely out of the P4P list before this and I don't even think he should be #2 right now... Show some activity first.
    Maybe if the fight continued and he would have beaten Ortiz to a bloody pulp, you can put him at 2 on skill alone, but in this case even the 2nd spot is too high for Floyd Joy Junior.
     
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  4. FORMIDABLE

    FORMIDABLE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "Regain"?
    That's the wrong word. Mayweather was ranked #2 P4P and #2 at welter before his vacation and before he was dropped from the rankings.
     
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  5. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Jhonny Gonzalez deserves a higher ranking for sure.

    Morales would not have been ranked that high for me coming into the week, but would be there after the performance vs. Cano.

    Mayweather is my P4P #1. I expect for that opinion to be vehemently disagreed with, but my response would be that a) I try to be consistent, b) I don't want to write a book and c) I also expect to be proven correct over the next three to four years.
     
    Nonito Smoak, Sep 20, 2011
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  6. mRD

    mRD vagabond Full Member

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    Talk about sarcasm
     
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  7. krishv123

    krishv123 Guest

    Packman ma have faced a couple of leftovers but wins vs margarita cotto clotted....who r all better than Ortiz....oh....speaking of leftovers may weather faced Marquez years after packman....Marquez between that period has had numerous wars
     
    krishv123, Sep 20, 2011
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  8. eze

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    He was #1 at WW then the fight didn't happen so the ring switched him and Pac.
     
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  9. Farmboxer

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    I don't think Pac can be bought off........................
     
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  10. pahapoisu

    pahapoisu Superman! Full Member

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    Mayweather can’t leave boxing for 16 months, defeat a good (not special) opponent in a less-than-satisfying manner and expect to regain his status as the No. 1 fighter in the world. He’ll have to do more than that to earn it.

    Agreed. The last time he came back it was against Mosley who was nr 3 p4p and considered the best welterweight who Manny ducked.

    We don’t approve of Pacquiao’s last three opponents, Joshua Clottey, Antonio Margarito and Shane Mosley, each of whom probably was less qualified to face the Filipino icon than Ortiz was to face Mayweather. However, Pacquiao has obliterated seven big-name opponents in the time Mayweather has done the same to three.

    Thats nice but wait, they had Mayweather at nr 1 after he had beated Mosley. Pacquiao proceeds to beat Clottey and then Margarito. The same Margarito that Mosley blew away. Right after Margarito Mosley went to Floyd and looked his age.
    Now they elevate Pac to nr one :lol: for beating Margarito.
    Those ratings are bs at times.
     
    pahapoisu, Sep 20, 2011
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  11. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Let Floyd fight every 6 months then we'll talk about #1.
     
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  12. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    What?

    Mayweather fought Marquez after Pacquiao did, true. But also, Pacquiao is facing him at the same weight Mayweather faced him two years later as well.

    Ortiz was ranked #2 at WW. Clottey was ranked #6 at WW. Margarito hadn't been ranked for two years and when Pac fought him, was in no ones' top 250 P4P, had we all been forced to make one.

    Mosley was #3 P4P, #1 WW when Mayweather fought him.
    Mosley was #5 WW when Pacquiao fought him.

    I had having to do this because any resume can be dissected in any way, but the double standards on this site are too great to go unnoticed.
     
    Nonito Smoak, Sep 20, 2011
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  13. MrWonderful

    MrWonderful Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A lot of this is plain stupidity

    As in, you don't mention that Clottey, Cotto, and Margarito had all been dominated by other Welterweights already, and were all coming off very recent losses.

    Mayweather was beating these guys when they were at the top. Pacquiao has been feeding on guys, already well exposed.

    Truth is, if the ring ratings were based on form, and current opponents, there's no chance Martinez wouldn't be number 1.

    Manny would be about number 2-3.

    It's not though

    No PFP number 1 is ever going to be moved, unless they seriously start sliding in the ring
     
    MrWonderful, Sep 20, 2011
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  14. MrWonderful

    MrWonderful Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Seriously, step back into the real world.

    When's Clottey ever beaten anyone as good as Andre Berto!? He's lost every big fight he's ever had.

    Margarito gets destroyed by a 38 year old Mosely and he's a tougher fight than a prime Ortiz, coming off a top win?

    Margarito was a better opponent than Ortiz in 2006. Unfortunately, Manny didn't fight him until 2010
     
    MrWonderful, Sep 20, 2011
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  15. Thaiad24

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    who has Berto beaten to prove he is good? his 1st real test was ortiz, a guy who lost to maidana and drew with peterson within the last year
     
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