Manny Pacquiao: The BEST 140 pounder this decade

truth is that there have not been that many fighters in the past decade who were really elite at 140.

Tszyu was getting past it

PBF's best win was a win over Gatti (or Chop Chop who probably could have beaten Gatti)

 

If Marquez was "caught cold" then thats a slight against him as a fighter.

Juan Manuel Marquez has typically been a slow starter. He got off to a bad start against Juan Diaz, and Barrera got the best of the opening three rounds in their fight. Same with Pacquiao, but he came on to outbox the man from Manilla for most part to get a draw.

Too often do we see really bad decisions in Boxing. Not that this one applies, but many people felt that Marquez had done enough to win the fight. I certainly did. In any event, this fight was a draw so Manny has only one notable win to speak of as a 126lb fighter.

Marquez lost to Chris John in a controversial decision, but he still achieved more as a 126lb fighter than Manny Pacquiao. Barrera lost to Manny, but he still has the superior resume as a Featherweight than Manny Pacquiao.

The only true way to measure a fighters greatness is to look at their resume and what they achueved. Manny's achievements don't measure uo to Barrera, Hamed's, or Marquez's as a 126lb fighter.

That is speculation. What we do know as facts are is that he didn't achieve as much as them, regardless.

You seem to be saying because you think Manny could beat them all that he should be considered the best 126lb fighter of the last 20 years. In this game, the fight game, actions speak louder than words.

Is Ray Leonard a better Middleweight than Hagler? NO!!!!!

 

You can't compare SRL edging a controversial decision against Hagler to PAcquiao beating the living hell out of Barrera. Not to mention that Hagler was far less at his peak on that night than Barrera was against PAcquiao.

Speculation is what it is. Like I said, check out my Mayweather or HAtton at 140 thread, the consensus is that based off speculation, Maywaether is clearly the better fighter than Hatton at that weight, although he isn't nearly as accomplished.

 

More speculation.

We never got to see how Hagler would perform after the Leonard fight, but it's been well documented that he retired because he couldn't get a rematch, not because he felt he was done at elite level.

By your logic, because Pacquiao came along and got one great win against Barrera, that undoes everything that those fighters had achieved before that. So, by your logic, Leonard is a better Middleweight than Hagler, and Floyd is a better 154lb than Oscar De La Hoya. :good

Your number one objective on this forum is to talk up the man from Manilla. Speculation is the only possible way you could credit him as the best 126lb fighter of the last 20 years. Well son, that **** just doesn't make sense.

 

Hatton is not in his prime. That was the Tszyu fight if you ask me. Hatton himself has said he's only a couple of years from retirement at any rate.

Tszyu had 8 fights in the 00's leading up to the Hatton loss with 6 ko's against top 10 Jnr Wlt competition.

Hatton has fought 28 times all with 19 KO's.

So Manny wins one fight at 140 and he's don'e more than either guy?

Come on mate.

As an Aussie I am biased and will say Jeff Fenech @ 126.

 

you're not understanding my logic at all. If Pacquiao had done nothing else in his career but that 1 fight against Barrera, then I would not say he is the best at that weight. But I believe that based on how good a fighter he has proven to be, regardless of weight, combined with how good he proved to be in the fights he had at that weight, he was best fighter at 126. If my logic was as you say it is, I wouldn't even had considered Morales, but I did.

 

That isnt what you put as the thread question, you said compare the Hatton from the tszyu fight to Floyd from the gatti fight.

 

cause those were the two fights where they were at their absolute best at that weight. Hatton doesn't get any better at 140 than the Tszyu fight. And Floyd doesn't get any better than the Gatti fight.

To say that Floyd who beat Gatti is better than Hatton who beat Tszyu, but that Hatton is better than Floyd at 140 would be contradictory.

and anyways most posters just answer the poll question without reading the initial post.

 

The only way you can determine how good of a Featherweight Manny Pacquiao was is to see what he achieved at THAT weight. He beat Marco Antonio Barrera in a dominating victory, but then drew with Juan Manuel Marquez in a decision many people thought should have gone Juan's way. Is that really enough to credit Manny as the best 126lb of the last 20 years. If you had any sense at all you'd concede that it's bull****..right now.

Manny is great, but he isn't special. Same rules apply to him as any other fighter in history.

 

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one win makes him the beast of the decade? what are you smoking junior?

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Pacquiao can have a chance to be the best 140 lbs if he beats hatton then fight and beat timothy bradley-junior witter and paulie malignaggi or kendall holt. :good

 

I apply the same rules to all the fighters. Why is it that the rules that apply to Manny at 126 don't apply to PBF at 140 or RJJ at 168?

 

They do.

Hatton is a better 140lb fighter than Floyd, and Calzaghe is a better Super Middleweight than RJJ.

You're learning a lot in this thread.

 

we have different definitions of better.

Who's a better heavyweight, Vitali or Wlad?