Manny Pacquiao vs Hector Camacho @ 130lbs

then feel free to start this at the classic section where i would be happy to hear from those who really catched camacho at 130 and 130 only as the thread states.

no need to be mad at *******s just because marquez lost against pacquiao.

 

acb, do you really see Pac as a speed demon?

I just dont see it. Pac is very quick and powerful with his one-two, which is usually the extent of his combinations.
The JMM fights in particular, but even in other fights, have shown me that Pac does'nt exert speed in the midst of punching exchanges
.....you look at Pac's fights with JMM, Pac being the more potent puncher, whenever both were in the mid'st of exchanges, it was JMM's speed and know how that were finishing the exchanges.

.....in combination, JMM was actually faster than Pacquiao, and I dont consider JMM in the same league with Camacho as far as speed is concerned.

Pacquiao is very quick to get off and throw his left hand, but I dont see the speed that alot talk about in regards to Manny Pacquiao.
I think Pacquiao's got good speed, but not the overwhelming speed thats associated with fighters with great handspeed.....guys like Meldrick Taylor, Jones Jr., Camacho, Holyfield, Mayweather Jr., SRL, etc........

When I think of Pacquiao, I think of him as more quick and powerful, than fast and powerful.

Quickness is the ability to get from point A to point B with a single shot, its mostly related with one punch.

Speed is the ability to punch rapidly in combination, and I just dont see that with Manny Pacquiao!

Quickness=tat or even tat tat

Speed= tat tat tat or even tat tat tat tat etc.......

Point blank, Camacho is even quicker than Pac, but when you talk about speed, its not even a contest, Camacho reigns supreme in that dept. over Pacquiao.

Tat tat tat tat tat tat tat tat.......

 

If I'm not mistaken, thats the shot that caught JMM in the 10th round of their rematch, and it proves my point about Pac's speed......
Where's the follow up, and the shots landing in combination that
= speed?

Hey guys what do you all think, was it the shot that made JMM stumble, or the fact that JMM was concious that Pac was to the side of him, and he's shuffling to get in postion to defend, but with the sharp angle to turn, loses his footing.

Thats how sharp and aware that JMM is, that shot has just landed, Pac is still in his follow through, and JMM already knows that Pac is to the side and behind him. You can see JMM's eyes follow Pac, instantly at the moment that he's gotten hit.

The shot forced JMM to be in a bad position, but where is Pac's followup?

Thats the difference between the balance and skill of the fighters, JMM being hit is more aware of where Pac is at, than Pac who has just landed flush on JMM! :bbb :hi:



Great clip PNN, it says alot about the fighters, the way Pac lands a good hard shot but is offbalanced and not in a position to follow up after getting in the good shot.......
.....and for JMM, the ability to know what has just transpired, and shuffling to get himself in position to defend.

If JMM does'nt stumble foward after that shot, Pacquiao's likely in position to throw another shot, but it goes to show that JMM is fully aware and in control of his mental faculties!

 

one sided your ass.. camacho might win by decision but it will be a fight.. you underrate pac too much god worshipping cocksucker

 

true.. and guys like amsterdam exagerrate the flaws of pac

 

Acb was still in denial that I saw Camacho at 130. He wanted me to believe his lies(Or shall I say overrating Camacho) too :rofl:rofl

 

well i did not post this to prove your point about pac speed or his lack of it but its all good if you can use it for your analysis. :good

i just posted it for joito3 who seems to haven't watched enough of pac that led him to believe that camacho would tko/ko pac within 3 rounds. he happened to say that pac doesn't know how to duck and counter and i remembered the 10th round of the marquez rematch where pac did in sequence what he said pac cannot do.

about pac's speed, i cannot say if he is really in the same league as far as camacho is but he had a fast left hand. he doens't like to throw more the right-left combinations that we used to see because roach taught him how to be more defensive. before, after he unleashed that left straight, pac is always unbalanced and open to counters. now, for the his last two fights, he is fighting with controlled agression and employs defensive measure first even after connecting with a good shot like the .gif that i posted. notice that after the shot, pac momentarily guards up as if marquez would counter even at that awkward position. and notice also how pac fluidly rotates back to face marquez after the shot.

 

Cooke, sick picture of ROBERTO DURAN!

 

Oh the fight and a good-one indeed.. macho time wins it..

 

:huh

 

Bad matchup for Pac. Camacho is a brilliant boxer type with a pair of the fastest hands in boxing. Good chin. Not a good H2H for Pac. I favor Pac more so on guys who are going to try and fight with him. Pac could knock him down but he would lose a lot of rounds.

 

camacho has pop in his days at 130-135

 

He was known more as a boxer than a puncher at every point, even though he had pretty good power and was more willing to let his hands go in his younger days. The point is, you can't simply say the fight is 50/50 just because both guys can punch, there are many more factors in a matchup, especially one like this.

 

I've done a lot of review to give my own analysis. It was such a hard endeavor considering that Camacho at 130 was such a different being. That being said, you may or may not agree, but I pick Pac to edge Camacho in a thriller. Probably the same manner he beat JMM. Close and disputed by some.


Here's how I figure the fight goes:


The obvious scenario people would envision is Pac moving forward trying to land his bombs while Camacho picks him apart with speed and accuracy. I chose to go the other way. I sense Pac would instead take Camacho out of his gameplan by staying outside and make the boxer initiate the action. Something that Camacho isn't really that too comfortable of doing.


I like to make it a point that people should start to look at Pac differently now. He's not the same guy, who about 3 years ago, would just chug forward and rumble with little regard for personal safety. As evidenced by his fights with JMM, MAB(2nd) and EM(3rd), he can use angles, change the tempo of the fight, and even fight backwards. Sure, he's not the most skilled and finessed athlete, but he's not a one-dimensional fighter anymore.

judging by their head-to-head comparison in categories, this is a conclusion had:

speed - edge to Camacho, but only by a hair or two.
power - this one for Pac, he's not as big a hitter as he was at 122, but still much heavier hitter that Camacho.
chin - Camacho has never been KO'd before, but with the sole exception of his 1st loss, Pac has proven his chin to be made of stern stuff. (this is also the reason why I ruled out a prediction of a KO on this mythical match-up)
intelligence - I figure both are just as cunning and savvy in the ring, Pac doesn't just look the part because he is primarily known as a slugger.
lastly, heart - forget what a beast a was at 130, Camacho showed the entire world that he doesn't like getting hit. Something Pac has endured ever since he fought his pro debut.


I expect poeple to tell me, Rosario is way too big a puncher compared to Pac, and it is him that ruined Camacho and turned the one-time "Macho" into a stinker. I concede that. But then again, that fight was at 135. And has Camacho faced an opponent who brings a dangerous blend of speed and power as Pac does? No.


If you want to have an overview of how this match-up will go, watch Pac-JMM 2, just take out the knock-down in round 3, and see the surprise in Camacho's face when he gets tagged by a lot of hard punches. Something that he never experienced in his previous bouts at 130.

 

This poll is WAY too close. :-(