Manny Pacquiao vs Hector Camacho @ 130lbs

Goes to show you the mentality at that point from Manny Pacquiao.
JMM had repeatedly countered Pac's offensive, that even in that awkward state by JMM, Pac was worried and conscience of getting countered.
All the result of getting countered silly in the previous rounds!:yep

 

Camacho easily

 

It's "MACHO TIME"....I give Pac a punchers chance and he would have his moments, but I'd pick Hector to win a 12rd UD.

 

In boxing, opinions about match ups mean nothing until proven in the ring.

People had Barrera winning over Pacquiao in polls too back in 2003. What happened when they met in the ring? :deal

I thought Pacman would KO him and I was right on the money. :deal

You said Pacman would get beat by Morales in their rematch, and Marquez would school Pacman worse than the first fight. And what happened? Morales got bludgeoned, and Marquez got dropped with his feet up in the air. It only shows your these opinions means crap unless proven physically. :rofl:rofl

Pacman would beat Camacho either by KO or 7-3ish decision. I was never wrong about Pacman ever. :deal

 

A very flawed analysis SS if you think that Camacho is going to be made to fight going foward and Pac on the backfoot!

This scenario could'nt and would'nt unfold, simply because Camacho is both quicker and faster.
It is Camacho who would dictate the speed and tempo of the fight as he's the quicker, faster, and more skilled of the two.

There were alot of people on this board that were of the opinion that after seeing Pac fight on the backfoot vs MAB, that he'd do the same with JMM.......goes to show you how wrong they were......JMM quickly established his advantage in combination speed, and this forced Pac to have to come to JMM, as JMM moved laterally away from Pac's left and was in counter mode for most of the fight.

The one thing that led to JMM getting knockdown in the 3rd, but Camacho imo would not fall victim to, is that JMM is at every moment in the contest looking to counter every nook and cranny.
Always with his eyes peeled and alert for the counter.

Camacho does his thing in a different way. He punches in blurrs, and often times feels content with his output and dances away, to start the process all over again at his convenience.

Dances away.....thats something that JMM hardly ever does, but its something that Camacho mostly does, and it does buy Camacho time away from exchanges as he admires his work.
Camacho, unlike JMM does alot of running in circles, which means that there will be less opportunities for exchanges for Manny Pac.
The less opportunity for Pac, the less chance that he could score a knockdown.
You figure with Pac, the more opportunity you give him, eventually he's going to land a heavy shot.
Landing that heavy shot becomes less probable against Camacho, than it does vs JMM, for the reason that Camacho is runaway counterpuncher, and JMM is a pocket counterpuncher.....completely different styles.

Camacho imo would be very aware of Pac's history as a puncher and respect it, not giving him opportunities to use it.
Alot of jabbing by Camacho, and alot of blurrs of combinations, and taking a hike out to not only admire his work, but to buy time when the round is already in the bag.
I dont see a KO by Camacho as he was never known for being a risk taker unless he was absolutely certain that his opponent had next to nothing in the tank.
Things got to easy for JMM that he pressed the peddle in that 3rd round and got caught by a big shot by Pacquiao.
Camacho would never push the peddle until very late in a fight, and only if absolutely certain, Pac has nothing!

 

No one would ever prove whether I was wrong, others are wrong or everyone is wrong. The fight won't happen anyway. It's just fun to make a knowledgable analysis which is within the borders of reason.



At least I never said Pac would KO camacho in one round.

 

on the other hand, some posters here are thinking that this would be way lopsided as if pac was some kind of class-c fighter where camacho would have a walk in a park.

the thing is, 130 is the starting weight of camacho where as at 130, we have seen pac developed into a rounded fighter and well-experienced in big fights. i would have no problem camacho winning if really he is "that great" at 130 as most people are implying but it would be his hardest fight at 130 if he ever fought pac at that weight.

i hope to see more of footages/fights of camacho at 130 and 135 to see if pac has really no chance against him.

 

I got your point. Objectively speaking, Camacho's only opponent of note at 135 was Bazooka Limon. And Camacho was never really such a big puncher at 130.

 

hmmm.. still can't get over pac edging a close decision over your boy jmm? :hey it's a bitter pill to swallow huh...

 

they say that the limon fight (according to boxrec its at 130 for the wbc strap) was a showcase for camacho at this weight. i know that you have watched those fights back in the days, my question is how would you rate those 4 guys (limon, edwards, chacon and navarrete) after arguello?

 

Camacho by KO. I'd say mid rounds.:good

 

in actual fights, boxers do not just rely on brilliant boxing techniques, speed, power, and counterpunching ability just to win fights..

guts/heart/determination is the most important thing.. pac never would've became a champ if not for these traits..

that's why sometimes all these dream matchups are bull****..

just saying that pac would've a chance against camacho, as a reply to those people saying that pac would look like a bum against him

 

I've always felt that seeing footage helps, but its never the same than living the moment and seeing the fights take place as they happen.....
.....knowing the caliber of opposition and understanding where the different fighters stood in the boxing world at the time.

Believe me when I tell you of Hector Camacho's caliber, at 130 to 135 lbs, he was top notch.

To get Camacho out of his game, you'd have to swarm him, neither of the mini-fab four are swarmers.
.....and as a big JMM fan on this board, for me to say that I would not pick JMM over Camacho at either 130 lbs or 135 lbs, that should tell you something about Camacho's caliber.

I cant believe I'm saying this about Camacho who I always disliked when he was fighting, but stylewise, I believe he's edge JMM head to head. Speed and quickness both of hand and foot would be the major factor.
JMM's pure skill keep him in the fight, but against Pac where the skill disparity is by far wider, I just dont see where Pac competes.

Camacho would just be a nightmare scenario for most fighters.

 

Honestly, I've never been able to see them. But fortunately, I've been around the knowledgable people who did. Skillwise, all four guys are never too far from each. But no one ever comes close to Arguello overall. If I would have to rate them, I'd say:


Edwards
Chacon
Limon
Navarette

 

i get your point and what exactly you are trying to say. nothing beats experiencing the fights and knowing whats at stake for that moment.

so you are basically saying that marquez skillset would keep him more in the game against camacho as pac would be outclassed clearly?

but still props to you divac for the opinion that pac would last until decision where others seem to think that pac is just a knockout waiting to happen against the great camacho.