Manny Pacquiao vs Hector Camacho @ 130lbs

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  1. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  2. Borincano

    Borincano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Limon and Solis. He did beat some undefeated fighters prior to the names mentioned. The only way to prove how fast and how good he was at 130 is to actually watch the fights not by hearsay. I have seen them when I was a teen and I was amazed.
     
  3. PH|LLA

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    These guys, Limon and Solis, who are they? Are they great fighters like Pacquiao? Even if I watch Camacho at 130 it's gonna be hard to tell if he could beat PAc because he had never faced that kind of quality opposition at that point in his career.
     
  4. Borincano

    Borincano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would not know, I was never a fan of Limon, but I heard of all the wars against Chacon. Chacon would not get in the ring with Camacho. Speed kills. I use hate fighting fighters with superior speed. At times, it gets frustrating and that is when you gamble and make a mistake. The speedster will hope that all this transpired to catch you on your mistake. By the way, Camacho was also a avoided fighter at 130 and possibly this is the reason he moved up. Anyway, for Limon to fight guys like Chacon, Arguello, Boza-Edwards and many more, he could not be like you said; Mayorga or Valero of today.
     
  5. Borincano

    Borincano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have watched Pac enough to say that Camacho's speed and quickness would frustrate him to make mistakes, but on top of that is that Pac leaves himself open for shots versus slower competition. Camacho was just not fast, he was lightning fast. Beleive me, you have to get your hands on some of his 130 fights. Well, I believe Camacho was much faster than Pac even at 135.
     
  6. joito3

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    Macho by TKO Pac doesn't know how to duck and counter
     
  7. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    You are losing your credibility. Tell me something about the Limon match (there were several interesting stories and caveats in the footage) so that I can at least validate that I am dealing with an honest debater.

    If not, I won't continue with you, because I don't debate with people who say they have seen fights that they haven't.
     
  8. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    Its not an opinion, its observable on tape.

    The best minds in boxing have Camacho, Taylor, and RJJ as some of the fastest boxers p4p, ever. Stop with the bull****, you know Pac isn't faster than Camacho at 130lbs, p4p, anything.
     
  9. PH|LLA

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    OK no doubt Camacho was probably faster than Pacquiao, but was he better? Look how much faster Meldrick Taylor was than JCC, probably a much bigger gap in speed than Camacho and Pacquiao. Yet inexplicably Taylor did not beat JCC 12 rounds to 0. Handspeed is not the be and end all of boxing. Experience, power, styles, determination, smarts, skills, movement, stamina, strength, coaching, height, etc etc etc there are tons of factors that come into play
     
  10. akoaypogi

    akoaypogi New Member Full Member

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    Okay I'll tell you something about the fight. I wanna hear the answer to my questions first. Its a simple answer. I won't bite you after promise :yep
     
  11. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't know if the inexperienced Camacho at 130 could beat Pac.
     
  12. acb

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    He had great lateral movement, a great range finding jab, great ring generalship, and stylisticaly he was a mess for Pac due to his speed and lateral movement literally mid-combination.

    As for you question about who he fought, he faced good competition at 130lbs, and Pac hasn't beaten great 130lbs competition either, but great competition from lower weights that has moved up. I fully agree with Divac in saying that these 130lb boxers aren't true 130lb 'ers.

    At a certain point you have to look at tape of the guy. Many people favor a 160lb Jones over guys like Monzon. Monzon fought and beat great competition, but people recognize that Roy was just so athleticaly superior that he could have at least run him close. This is one example of why footage has to come into play.

    I think that if you see more footage, you will be in agreement about Camacho.
     
  13. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    Stop being immature, its getting ridiculous. I am a reputable person and will give you and answer but Im growing tired of this.
     
  14. PH|LLA

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    This thread has also been alot of self-masturbation for alot of pac haters. Starting with Divac, who thinks Camacho would win 12 rounds to 0 :nut

    Speed and lateral movement is not the style that has proven to befuddle pacquiao. Its poise and counterpunching.

    As for Camacho's amazing competition at 130, i don't see it. Solis and Limon?



    last time i checked Roy Jones beat Bernard Hopkins at 160, maybe without that win alot more people would think Roy was still too green at 160 to beat Monzon

    everytime someone on this board starts a mythical matchup involving Pac and a retired great, its a not-so-subtle attempt to discredit pacquiao. This thread is no exception
     
  15. akoaypogi

    akoaypogi New Member Full Member

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    :rofl Because you think you are reputable you can't answer my questions? :nut