Manny Pacquiao vs. Naseem Hamed

"Naseem Hamed was nothing but a manufactured hype-job"

What?! We're not talking about the spice girls here.


Yet another person who hasn't seen Hamed fight pre Kevin Kelley.

If you only saw Mike Tyson fight post prison you'd
think he was all hype too.

 

And by the same token, most who overrate him are British.

I don't know who wins, but it would have been a hell of a fight.

 

Yes I'm British, but that does not cloud my judgment. I think Lennox Lewis is overrated and Joe Calzaghe is an overrated slapper who only beat a 1 dimentional fighter in Lacy.

 

Fair enough.

Few though, however objective they try to be, rarely truly are. (Me included.)

 

Hamed wasn't washed up. Maybe he was slightly past hsi physical prime, but the guy had such an easy career against nobodies before 1996, he couldn't possibly be past it. Who, apart from Medina, actually gave him a good, close fight?

He wasn't washed up at all.

 

He was washed up, because he didn't train. At that point his ego was the size of Mount Kilimanjaro and he thought he didn't need to train and just relied on power. His skills were eroded as a result and his reflexes paled in comparison to what they once were.

So when I say he was washed up, it's not in the traditional sense i.e. passed it, due to old age or battle worn. He was washed up because he simply didn't train and once he stopped training properly he was never the same again.

 

during 1996, hamed reigns at featherweight but at the same time luisito espinosa reigns at the same division. espinosa was pushing for a fight with hamed but i guess hamed doesn't want anything to do with espinosa and chose to fight medina whom espinosa defeated before. that was my first impression of hamed.

now you are saying, that a 1996 Hamed would have knocked pac, barrera and morales when during that time, he was ducking an old champion by the name of espinosa.

 

Naseem Hamed ducked Luisito Espinosa!? :nut

Yes, of course and I'm sure you were privy to all negotiations with Hamed and Espinosa at the time. As you were probably a special advisor to Espinosa in 1996 before he uncerimoniously fired you for his financial irregularities.

 

though it is hard for you to believe, that is the case. espinosa could be after the purse in fighting hamed but there is no denying that hamed did not entertain the notion of fighting espinosa during their long reign as champions. instead he went for medina.

as for the 1996 hamed who will beat pac to the punch and knock barrera and morales, he could be in the same league as far as talent with the likes of pac, barrera and morales but he lacks the discipline and the especially the "heart" to beat those three great fighters.

 

sources, evidence and proof or stfu! too many posts on this forum with 'x ducked z!!' with their only proof being the two fighters didn't meet in the ring.

 

He lacked discipline when he didn't train, when he did train he was very disciplined and didn't just rely on his power. Around the time he fought Kevin Kelly his training had become a joke I suspect this is around the time you probably first saw him.

I don't see how he lacked heart in the ring, even later when he had become a joke he showed a great deal of heart getting up from the canvass and fighting on to win. Like I said earlier, he was never the same man or fighter after he stopped training. His heart and passion wasn't fully in the fight game anymore. His last fight with Calvo is evidence of this. That's why he never came back.

We don't know why the Espinosa fight never materialised but it's laughable that you think Hamed would duck Espinosa. He always felt he could knock anyone out and at one time in 1996 he was dead right.

 

What the hell do you mean by that?

What has race got to do with anything?


You're really beginning to **** me off.
You sound like you have some serious issues you need to work out.

You might judge fighters by the colour of their skin and which part of the world they happen to be born in but I certainly don't, it doesn't even come into the equation. Don't judge me by your pathetic standards by assuming I have a prejudiced attitude, as you clearly do.

 

When an right handed fighter faces a left handed fighter, the fighters with their lead foot on the outside has a better chance of landing power punches. The fighters with their lead foot on the inside has their jab lining up better.

None of this comes into play in this bout. There're both southpaws.

If Hamed were being pressed by an orthodox fighter, his staight left would come into play more. It won't line up against Pacquiao the same way it does against a right handed fighter with a better defense.

Pacquiao's speed and work rate would expose the flaws in Hamed's style that some weaker less active fighters failed to do. He wouldn't have the same opportunities to wind up and spring on Pacquiao. Pac would not respect his distance the way other fighters do.

I see Pacquiao by later round stoppage, and I am not one that thought Naseem was all that overrated. I picked Barrera to beat him, but I thought it would have been more similar to the way I think Pacquiao would than the way he did it. I also didn't take into account his height and reach advantage over Hamed.

 

This fight is kind of difficult for me to say who is going to win. I think the one that takes control in the first 3/4 rounds migh have the best chance to ko the other one. I am saying KO because I think this fight would have ended like that, KO or TKO.

However, not all the time fights go that way, and therefore I would like to ask all of you a simple question... who do you think could win if the fight goes the distance?