Manny Pacquiao vs. Prince Naseem Hamed

Somebody should ban this ****er. We really should have like a 10 question exam upon registration.

 

You are a masochistic troll who will gladly suffer humiliation for another hour if we let you, so let's condense this boring shite into three key questions, then I'm off:



1.You have seen that Miguel Cotto weighed 159 vs Urkal, his highest ever weight for a ww bout. You have seen highlights of that fight. Do you accept you have been talking shite saying that Cotto is "160lbs ripped"?



2.Answer honestly now: Floyd Mayweather agreed to fight Juan Manuel Marquez at a catchweight, though Marquez was much smaller than him and had to jump 2 weight classes. If Floyd wanted to fight a catchweight the other way, and asked a guy to weigh in one pound lighter than he had in his previous fight where there had been no mention of that fighter being "drained" or "weakened", would you still be going on about one pound being enough to kill someone?!



3.Floyd weighed around 130-135 when he fought at 130. Chavez weighed around 130-135 when he fought at 130. Floyd weighed around 147-152 when he fought at 147 (he was 152 on fightnight vs Marquez). Ricky Hatton weighed around 152-158 when he fought at 147. Chavez was a very strong, tough and formidable superfeather. Hatton was a poor welter, looking poor in both of his fights there, both when he was KO'd by Floyd and when he was badly rocked down the stretch by Luis Collazo. Who was stronger: Chavez at sfw or Hatton at ww? Who had better punch resistance: Chavez at sfw or Hatton at ww?



And the most important question, the one which you gave a horrendously wrong answer to last time: who is a tougher physical challenge: Chavez at sfw, or the ww Hatton that Floyd fought?





There, this thread has been such a non-stop and brutal ass-kicking that I've decided to give you a chance to redeem yourself and salvage some pride by giving the right answers. Use this gracious opportunity wisely now...

 

Yeah, we should.



First question would of course be:

 

A - That wasn't the point at all, and you know it. You're now trying to hide your stupidity because you are embarrassed that everyone to a man has ridiculed you for making such a stupid point in the first place.

B - The point that you're now trying to change it to makes even less sense than the original, diabolical one. If Floyd fought Chavez as sfw's, then they would both be sfw's. When Floyd fought Hatton at ww, they were ww's (well, that's debatable re Hatton, but they both weighed in as ww's and it was a ww fight).

So what the **** would be the relevance of saying that Hatton is stronger and

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This is the point we are arguing. Pretty much says it all about PP. He made this horrible, horrible post in haste because he was upset that some of us had the audacity to suggest Chavez or Arguello could beat Floyd - and now that this statement has been laughed out of town he is trying to twist it into something which his desperate mind thinks is more acceptable, but is actually even less so:

Truly the work of a world-class idiot, hence the reason he has disappeared from this thread. I'm doing likewise. I enjoyed this.

 

A - um yes it was, and you're the 1 who tried to spin it from the start

B - not changing anything, stronger is stronger.

C - FMJ is better physically at 130 than he is 147. The Hatton/Castillo examples were examples of him dealing with similar styles, that were both bigger men than JLC

D - If I remember rightly this all started from my claim 'Mayweather fought bigger stronger men who weren't as good but had similar style to Chavez'. And then commenced your ***** fit

PS I remember at the time you ignored my point FMJ wasn't at his best for the Chavez(drained)/Castillo (injured) fights

 

Thanks for quoting my post, proving my point, which was my claim Chavez was smaller and weaker, not weaker P4P :deal

Chavez is smaller/weaker - you've agreed with that already

I disapeared from the thread to watch Gibson go nuts

 

You must be a glutton for punishment.

 

1. Still not prepared to bring up fight night weights? Cotto was 159lbs against COrley. Freddy reckoned Cotto was 161lbs against Marg (I didn't see the fight night weights)

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=81435

Cotto was 159 in this fight if I remember rightly (there was an article about it on the ESB front page because Corley weighed around 142 and Cotto had 17lbs on him)

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRZvKISOckE[/ame]

2. Mayweather had a big size advantage against Marquez, is that what you wanted to hear?

Mayweather is typically less drained than his opponents because he doesn't typically weight drain - happy with that impartiality? Although he has the disadvantage of fighting bigger men.

3. Chavez is P4P much better, thats not the question. As you quoted my initial post you can read my claim 'Mayweather fought bigger stronger versions of the same style'

4. I said Chavez is better but smaller and weaker, I never said Chavez wasn't better overall. However Mayweather usually suffers from size disadvantages, but wouldn't against Chavez.

5. You do realise the only people backing you are people I've had heated arguments with in the past, think thats a coincidence by any chance? :yep

 

Fighters carry weight differently fellas. A guy like Cotto could be far more affected draining an extra one or two pounds than you think. Cotto was not the sturdiest at 140, he was getting knocked down almost in every fight.
A fighter like Floyd Mayweather is not going to be as affective with a small weight advantage as say Arturro Gatti was at 140. If Floyd held the advantage that some of you think his fight with Marquez would have resembled more of Arturro Gatti's fight with Joey Gamache. Gamache was no worse than Gatti, probably better technically, but he was run over because of his size.
It all depends on the fighters physical attributes their style, punching power and how they carry and hold weight. All things must be considered.
This is something some of you guys dont seem to get. Why do you think Freddie Roach took Cotto at 145 but wouldnt take Mosley at that weight? Because he knew that Mosley would carry the weight better and be a stiffer challenge. Weight draining Cotto would only soften up his chin a little more for Pac in what was going to be a similar type fight from either guy.

 

Great post. If anyone knows what he is talking about, it's this guy.

 

Hamed obliterated those guys.

Pacman lost to Morales, Drew with Marquez and probably shouldve have been accredited with another loes.

 

Robinson,past it Kelley,useless Sanchez and the other you mentioned weren't even in the same galaxy as the ones Pac fought.