Manny Pacquiao vs. Prince Naseem Hamed

Hamed can land, Pacquiao doesn't have a great defence or lateral movement to this day, and his movement is better now. Pacquiao wins for me, but he's not a wizard and never has fought like that, his defence is good offense. To say he doesn't take shots is a bit silly in my honest opinion.

 

He took shots from Marquez because of how Marquez fought. I can't see how a 5ft 3in tall short-armed guy like Hamed who doesn't throw combinations is going to land anywhere near enough punches to make this a close fight. It is far harder to set yourself to throw a telling shot when you are constantly under attack and eating hard punches, and that is what would happen when Pacquiao's offence meets Hamed's "defence".

 

Nah Popkins,i never said anything about a close fight. You said you can't see how Hamed lands, i took that as in he doesn't land any punches at all, which i repeat, is silly, for reasons i said above.

 

I explained myself better in my second post:

 

Yeah but that was afterwards, in response to my response! So forgive for me for not being able to pre-empt what you actually meant there.

How i see the fight is already up on the first or second page. I don't think Hamed counters greatly in this, i think he lands shots, simply because he throws them and Pacquiao who doesn't have a great defence is in range. Pacquiao would win the fight via the whirlwhind style and by throwing punches in bunches which don't give great opportunities to counter for Naseem. Pacquiao is a better fighter and that's the main thing here for me, not much of a styles thing. Naseem has true power at featherweight though in my humble opinion.

 

When I see someone saying "I can't see how X is going to land on Y", I don't take it to mean that literally X is not going to land one single, solitary shot on Y throughout the entire fight, but if that's what you took from my post then I was happy to clarify.

In my equally humble opinion, I also think Naseem has true power at featherweight. However I tend to agree with Addie's posts on the issue elsewhere in this thread. Hamed had great power, but is a little overrated in that regard because of the calibre of opposition he was facing. He failed to stop McCullough or Soto, two fighters with great chins. He dropped many guys who were back up fighting multiple times before he managed to get them out of there, which I don't recall too many doing from guys with bona fide ATG single-shot power like Jackson and Foster. I think he had excellent power, but he couldn't stop Barrera, and I don't think he could stop Pacquiao or Morales or Marquez either.

 

Yeah, i'd probably be in the same neighborhood as you and Addie on his power then, excellent, but who really knows? We can't say for sure if it was out of this world type power because that wasn't proven. But it did look bone crunching a lot of the time on a purely observational level, so the speculation is valid imo. By the way, i don't hold anything against anyone for not stopping Wayne McCullough, he had one of the greatest chins of all time imo,

 

McCullough has the greatest chin of any fighter I've ever seen. But I have a feeling that Julian Jackson could on a given night have knocked out ANYONE in his weight range. I don't think Hamed could knock out McCullough if they fought ten times.

 

Yeah, Hamed is not knocking out McCullough ever for me, but Jackson is not knocking out LaMotta for me either.

 

The difference is though, that Hamed would be beating McCullough becaue he was a better fighter, whereas LaMotta would be beating Jackson because he was a better fighter. It's far more difficult to have the strength or opportunity for a KO blow when you're suffering a beatdown. Put Jackson in with someone he can beat more often than not, like Hamed with McCullough, and he is getting that stoppage.

Also, I think Jackson's power was better at his more natural weight of 154 than it was up at 160, despite the amazing Graham KO.

 

Again Popkins i agree on all that, i'm just ****ing with you answering your questions literally man:good

 

I just think Jackson's power was just Jackson's power though, it was ridiculously immense and probab;y still is.

 

:good

 

I don't care what anybody thought. He didn't fight Cotto at his best.

 

No-one would say he fought the best Cotto, because Cotto had to weigh in 1 pound less than he did vs Clottey. 1 pound is enough to make anyone a feeble, emaciated corpse. Cotto was a ghost that night, the skeletal remains of a fighter. I'm surprised he even had enough strength to climb into the ring. I can't... type... any... more.... beca........ use

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