Manny Pacquiao vs Vasyl Lomachenko @140

I'm a big lomachenko fan and he is technically brilliant, but Pac would have too much power for Lomachenko's small frame. Also, when is the last time Pacquiao fought with a reach advantage?

 

I actually think there's a better than 50% we'll get that fight in 2020 after Loma unifies lightweight.

Pac's still a heck of a fighter, but he's not a 12 round fighter anymore. I would favor Lomachenko over a 2020 Pac.

 

You Loma gobblers have to stop with the reach stuff until you can show us a measurement of armpit to the fist for Lomachenko. Those wingspan measurements aren't the same as reach. They are fingertip to fingertip across the back. Not the same thing as reach, armpit to end of fist.

 

Why and how do you think Pac got to that point? Age aside, it's because of the physicality and the energy draw of fighting a much bigger opponent. Thurman looked massive and was probably in the 162-165 range. It takes more to block and absorb shots from bigger dudes and not to mention that Thurman is a power puncher. He's not the KO artist that his nickname suggests, but he's definitely heavy handed.

With Lomachenko, Pac would be the bigger man, far bigger puncher, and maybe even faster. Closing the distance won't be an issue as Lomachenko is also T-Rex armed. Pac won't gas in this fight and it doesn't even matter. Lomachenko doesn't see the second half of the fight.

 

Lol your shoulders are not gonna cause a massive difference in wing span. 20 inch shoulders to 23 shoulders is the difference between slightly broad shoulders and superhero status.

Wingspan below your height is a sign of a small frame, regardless of arm length. Your shoulders play a large role in boxing, not just your arm length.

Also not to mention when you measure armpits, your shoulders are included in the measurements. The differences caused by that small section of your neck and mid trap area would be absolutely marginal. 1-2 inches at the most

 

Pac by ko linares dropped loma at 135. Pac punches much harder than linares he stops loma at 140.

 

Speculation regarding being bigger. You don't know what Loma would enter the ring at, and what methods he would use to bulk up. You also don't know what Pac would enter the ring at either. Between the two of them Loma is actually taller, and Pac does have the reach advantage.

Handspeed will be negligible. Footspeed would be slight advantage to Loma, that increases to a big advantage for Loma as the fight wears down and Pac tires.

 

Armpits because the shoulder socket is where the arm begins.

Interestingly, HBO had Loma's reach as 23" and Rigondeaux's as 21.5", for all the Rigs had more reach than Lomachenko people. ESPN had to sell their product though.

 

Lomachenko's gonna want to be bigger, but not much bigger. The last thing that he wants to be against Pac is sluggish. If the fight happened at 140, I don't see Loma being bigger than 145-148 on fight night. Pac will be 143-145 on fight night at 140. At 147, Pac generally puts on 2-4 pounds max.

Smaller man with no heavy firepower? Lomachenko doesn't see the 6th.

Besides—Pac's already in his head. Lomachenko wanted NOTHING to do with Pac when Arum was trying to make the fight.

 

I don't think Loma will be the smaller man on fight night. I think their masses will be about the same, as you just stated. Loma will have the height advantage, and Pac will have the reach advantage. Loma will have the foot speed advantage., and if Loma can survive the first four or five rounds, he will begin to put on a clinic.

 

I hope Lomachenko takes the fight in 2020.

 

I must have missed those stats during the fight or I just don't remember.
I do agree that Lomachenko has longer arm length than his wingspan implies, but they are average for his actual height of 5'6 at best. Regardless of arm length, his lack of overall wingspan shows a deficiency in his frame.

 

The fight was on ESPN, and ESPN had to sell it as a competitive fight, and not a mismatch, so they repeatedly put out that Rigondeaux had more reach, although several years of HBO tale of the tape stats for both fighters stated differently.

Not aimed at you, but there is so much hypocrisy on this forum. You have a group of people trying to shrink down Loma's arms, and size, while on the other hand trying to claim a guy like Hopkins was some sort of weight bully and size bully while at middleweight. Interesting fact, he is far closer to the definition of T Rex armed, according to HBO's tale of the tape, than Lomachenko. 6'1, with the same reach measurement as Lomachenko according to HBO.

 

One—just ONE—flush left hand and Loma goes to sleep, gets knocked down, and/or is in very bad shape. The damn thing comes in frighteningly fast with serious power.

Guys weighing 160-165 pounds are hurt by a straight left from Pac and it's their size/weight that allows them to absorb it and not get KO'd.

 

Lol dude, Loma would not be the heavier fighter in the ring. Jesus they are two weight classes apart.....they agree to meet in the middle....and Loma is the bigger guy? (sigh)

Manny Pacquiao cannot beat defensive fighters that don't engage him head on. We saw it with both Marquez and Mayweather. He looks lost in there. Loma is another level of slickness.

Anyways, a mythical matchup entirely. Loma is never going to 140lbs. Pac is never going to 140lbs. Haymon and Arum are never working together for this fight.

Pac needs to focus on Spence because unfortunately that's exactly what Haymon is serving up for him.