Manny Pacquiao went nearly a decade before winning a decision on American soil

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  1. tinman

    tinman America Won Full Member

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    Pacquiao made his American debut in 2001 against Lehlo Ledwaba, the highest regarded 122 pounder in the world. Pacquiao was such a massive underdog that Vegas wouldn't even allow you to place a bet. Then he went on all out rampage against numerous very good and great fighters. Pacquiao was allergic to decisions. And only knew how to seek and destroy. The refinement wouldn't fully come into form until around 2008 or 2009.

    He would have a draw against Juan Manuel Marquez in 2004. And then the next year would lose, a close, highly competitive, but nevertheless convincing defeat at the hands of Erik Morales.

    Finally, in 2007 he won a decision on American soil against Marco Antonio Barrera in the rematch. This time Barrera fought to solely survive, no doubt having flashbacks from his vicious beatdown at the hands of Pac 4 years earlier, who fought like a demon sent by God to destroy Barrera for being such a douchenozzle and classist ***** towards Erik Morales. Justice was served.

    He then went on to win a decision against Juan Manuel Marquez in 2008. Then subsequently would finish off the decade (the decade of Pac to be honest) by annihilating and almost killing David Diaz, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto.

    Now that's a fighter.
     
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    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    His body of work was impressive.
     
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  3. Serge

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    I've been a longtime fan of Manny, going right back to when he shocked the world and destroyed MAB, who FTR was my favourite fighter at the time. Hit unusually hard for his size due to that thick-set powerful frame of his and the freakish dimensions of certain body parts. Some question if he was all natural but I never bought into that and if anything I'm more inclined to believe it was his greatest rival who was the one abusing PEDs given the amount of red flags there are surrounding him in that regard - like enough for every bull on the planet to charge at him. I do, however, strongly suspect he started juicing post Horn and I didn't have him winning any of his series against JMM albeit he was robbed blind against Bradley and stitched up royally US style by the ref and judges in Horn's backyard. But all that aside. I consider him the greatest fighter of his generation and a legend of the sport.
     
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    drenlou The Real KING OF THE HILL! Full Member

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    Well how can you win decisions when you have the power to knock your opponents out especially at the lower weight classees? Hmmm.. Who cares man
     
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    Well who is his greatest rival? If it's Floyd Mayweather I strongly disagree. As they both met in the ring far past their best and Mayweather was always too naturally big anyways. The Barrera fights were too one sided for it be a true rivalry. The Morales trilogy wasn't one sided. At least the first two fights weren't, but Morales' subsequent and abrupt decline after the first fight takes the luster off the latter two of the trilogy. Which leaves Marquez. They fought 4 very high level competitive fights. So that must surely be his biggest rival. Really the only one he truly had in his career.
     
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    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    His greatest rival is Floyd. Manny might have shared a ring with JMM x 4 but Manny's and Floyd's names are as synonymous with each other as Clenelo, corrupt judges and gift decisions are, as Terence Crawford, weight bullying and C level competition is, as Oscar, snorting coke and dressing up in women's clothing is, as Roid is with glass jaws and steroids.

    Manny and Floyd are widely considered the two best fighters of their generation and I think it's unfair on Manny and doesn't reflect well on him if we say his greatest rival is JMM because he couldn't scrape a legit win over him in four attempts. That simply doesn't do Manny's greatness justice.
     
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    I guess in a media/buzz sense. But his greatest in ring rivalry is Marquez.
     
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    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Well yeah, but it was damn near impossible for him to entice Floyd into a ring with him once, let alone x 4 so it would have to be JMM in that regard.
     
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