Manny Pacquiao's ATG ranking?

you're delusional

 

because pac dominated almost all his fight and suprises all by beating the hell out of hoya, diaz and hatton... vs hoya and diaz he was underdog and almost everybody expect him to be KO but look what happen.

uliuli I notice that all your post are always against pac

 

Do you think his wins over DLH, Diaz and Morales catapult him to the top? In other words, remove his wins against ODLH, Morales, and Diaz, where would you rate him?

TBH, those wins don't and shouldn't do much for his legacy.

Because, if that's the case, any fighter to have ever beat an over, or for that matter a few over the hill legends and title holders should be ranked much higher.

Wayne Martell beat Meldrick Taylor, I don't even have him in my top 500.

Maybe you don't understand. Pac's biggest wins were vs fighters who had a handicap and in several cases a severe handicap. In other words, Pac has been carefully managed.

Pac has consistantly gone after the weakest titlist since JMM. Before JMM he beat a shot Morales and a past prime Barrera.

If you look at the comparison I made with DLH, you will see that all the fighters DLH fought that I paired up with Pac's are superior to who Pac beat.

Based on that, how can you rate Pac top 20 or even higher than DLH???

 

I haven't seen an argument to debunk my comparison.

I'll make it easy for you and bump it.

 

Lets do a side by side comparison to Oscar De La Hoya, who I don't even have in the top 30, let alone top 20 or 25.

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So now that we have establish that Oscar who doesn't even crack top 30 or even 40. how in the world is Pac at 25????????

 

Uli why do you keep posting that over and over? Clearly no one cares.

 

Oscar's victories over Whitaker and Quartey are far from impressive. You put Morales' name next to Whitaker and Larios' name next to Quartey, but look at how Pacquiao beat Morales and Larios compared to how Oscar beat Whitaker and Quartey. Look at how Pacqiuao beat Oscar compared to how Oscar beat Mosley II. Look at how Pacquiao beat Hatton compared to how Oscar beat Vargas.

Look at how Oscar performed in the last three rounds against Tito

The only guys Oscar fought who had a size advantage on him were Hopkins and Sturm. Pacquiao moved up in weight to fight Barrera and Marquez, moved up in weight to fight Morales three times, moved up in weight to fight Oscar and Hatton.

Pac is straight up a better fighter than Oscar. Sorry to break it to you. p4p he is faster and stronger, and at this point he has better skills too.

 

You really fail to realize that Whitaker is leagues above Morales and Quartey is leagues above Larios, especially the Morales Pac fought, infact, Pac lost to a past prime, shot Morales, that has to be taken into consideration.

Also Larios was way past his best and Quartey was in his prime. That is a fact.

A Prime Oscar towers over Morales and Larios, especially the one that Pac fought and lost too.

It's an undenialble fact that Morales lost to a past prime Barrera, and journey man Zahir Raheem before Pac was able to beat him.

Yeah, I'll look. I'll also look at where Mosley ranks right now, and how he looks compared to the ODLH that Pac beat. As for Hatton-Vargas, Vargas is leagues above Hatton, Vargas was naturally bigger than ODLH, and on steroids! Vargas' skills are leagues above Hatton's. Hatton makes Vargas look like Sugar Ray Leonard.

If you'd understand boxing, you wouldn't fail to realize why Vargas and Mosley in 2003 were harder fights that 2008 ODLH and 2009 Hatton. atsch

He did exceptionally well in rounds 9 and 10. Have you even seen the fight??!! It was only Rds 11 and 12 where he got on his bike. Look ar how Pac did vs JMM for most of the rounds in their first fight.

That's how I know you're ignorant to boxing. Oscar moved up to fight Whitaker (P4P#2), Castillejo (WBC champ), Vargas was bigger, Trinidad was bigger, Mosley on roids was bigger, Miguel Angel Gonzalez was bigger, Ruelas was actually bigger, and Hopkins and Sturm were far beyond just bigger. Oscar took on the best all the time, that is something Pac CANNOT say (ALL THE TIME).

You truly never saw Oscar in his prime did you? A Prime Oscar was faster, his handspeed was compared to the Sugars, and his POP was devastating.

Hell, their KO % is about the same, the main difference being that ODLH fought much better opposition that Pac.

 

you haven't answer my question uliuli... I asked this for many times but never got an answer from you....

Why do you hate pac so much?????
did he raped your love ones?

 

I accidentally clicked GOAT :yep

 

LOL He was probably raped by Pacman in ass.

 

Greatest of ALL TIME! :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

*******ism at it's finest.

Have I ever threw an insult at Pac?? No. I don't dislike him at all, infact I think his style is great for the sport. As a boxing fan of 16 years I get annoyd with ******* ignorance.

I love how you guys say I hate him for simply stating facts in a civilized manner.

You guys are the ones who get all butt hurt when his resume is questioned. :yep

 

I'm not actually referring to you post on this particular thread but the other that you posted specially before and after hoya vs pac fight. I'm just don't feel searching for it but if you insist I will look it up for your....

 

I'm not really hurt because I know why you always discrediting pac's resume and victory because you are the one that is hurt everytime pac overshadows your heros:yep

 

Go for it, search it?

Are you referring to the thread that I created that said:

"What excuses will the *******s have IF Pac loses".

That one? The one I clearly gave Pac a chnace if anything at winning? Because I know that anything can happen in boxing, since I've been follwoing the sport for over half my life?